Hi, Rob Swindell!
I read your message from 10.11.2024 08:10

RS> Sure. But I'm not wanting to force anyone to have an abortion,
RS> while you're wanting to force others to have unwanted births.

What is the difference between giving an unwanted birth and abortion? In
the fist case a child will be born alive and mother can easily refuse
from an unwanted child. In the second case the mother simply doesn't
want a child to be born alive. Is it the good reason for the second case?

Bye, Rob!
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Re: The US election
By: alexander koryagin to Rob Swindell on Mon Nov 11 2024 02:33 pm

Hi, Rob Swindell!
I read your message from 10.11.2024 08:10

RS> Sure. But I'm not wanting to force anyone to have an abortion,
RS> while you're wanting to force others to have unwanted births.

What is the difference between giving an unwanted birth and abortion?

Child birth, a risky medical procedure known to have killed and mamed millions of women, is involved in the first. Assuming the abortion happens early in the pregnancy, many months of risk and hardship to the woman's body are avoided as well. Unwatned births result in unwanted children which are more likely to be unhappy adolescents and adults and become menaces to society.
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Hi, Rob Swindell!
I read your message from 13.11.2024 08:52


RS>>> Sure. But I'm not wanting to force anyone to have an abortion,
RS>>> while you're wanting to force others to have unwanted births.

ak>> What is the difference between giving an unwanted birth and
ak>> abortion?

RS> Child birth, a risky medical procedure known to have killed and
RS> mamed millions of women, is involved in the first.

Abortions maimed and killed even more women simply because that an
abortion is a surgical operation often making women infertile for life, whereas giving birth is a natural thing.

RS> Assuming the abortion happens early in the pregnancy, many months
RS> of risk and hardship to the woman's body are avoided as well.

This is a cunning speculation IMHO, but we all know well when an embryo
can be called a child - at some point "it" has gained a brain, heart,
nerves. "It" tries to avoid a sharp needle which is supposed to kill
"it". This is how most of the countries regulate the term when abortions cannot be done. IMHO there are only a few people who demand a complete prohibition.

RS> Unwatned births result in unwanted children which are more likely
RS> to be unhappy adolescents and adults and become menaces to society.

As I said before, it is not an excuse. If a woman doesn't want a child
she can refuse from it. Fist of all all women must understand the
reality, that an unborn child is not a part of their bodies. Even AIDS
viruses cannot usually penetrate from the mother's blood to her unborn
child just because their blood systems are separated.

An unwanted pregnancy maybe looks like a situation when a man rushed
into a woman house, robbed and bit her and left his child in her house, ordering to keep him. Should the woman kill that child or simply refuse
from him?

Bye, Rob!
Alexander Koryagin
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Alexander,

Abortions maimed and killed even more women simply because that an
abortion is a surgical operation often making women infertile for life, whereas giving birth is a natural thing.

In which century are you living?

Abortion is a pil these days.

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Hi, Ward Dossche!
I read your message from 13.11.2024 13:32

ak>> Abortions maimed and killed even more women simply because
ak>> that an abortion is a surgical operation often making women
ak>> infertile for life, whereas giving birth is a natural thing.
WD> In which century are you living?
WD> Abortion is a pil these days.

The pils to cause premature births? The Chinese use vacuum cleaners to
suck it out from the vagina. In both cases I feel somehow uneasy and
feel pity of the objects. ;-)

Bye, Ward!
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alexander koryagin wrote to Ward Dossche <=-

WD> Abortion is a pil these days.

The pils to cause premature births? The Chinese use vacuum cleaners to suck it out from the vagina. In both cases I feel somehow uneasy and
feel pity of the objects. ;-)

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Abortions maimed and killed even more women simply because
that an abortion is a surgical operation often making women
infertile for life, whereas giving birth is a natural thing.

In which century are you living?
Abortion is a pil these days.

The pils to cause premature births? The Chinese use vacuum cleaners to
suck it out from the vagina. In both cases I feel somehow uneasy and
feel pity of the objects. ;-)

I'm pretty certain you have no clue what you're talking about. Isn't the first time either.

Enjoy your ignorance,

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Hello Ward!

13 Nov 24 12:32, Ward Dossche wrote to alexander koryagin:

In which century are you living?

The proper question might be in which /country/...

Abortion is a pil these days.

Germany has over 50% by vacuum aspiration and about 30% by pharmaceuticals.

https://edoc.rki.de/bitstream/handle/176904/9884/JHealthMonit_2022_02_Schwange rschaftsabbrueche.pdf


Regards,
Gerrit

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Gerrit,

Abortion is a pil these days.

Germany has over 50% by vacuum aspiration and about 30% by
pharmaceuticals.

I don't know, but wouldn't it rather be a combination of both?

I tried reading the text, and my german-language knowledge is +/- OK, but it's a tad too much to filter out that particular kind of information. You can always tell me page so-and-so and the line or header.

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Hello Ward!

15 Nov 24 14:21, Ward Dossche wrote to Gerrit Kuehn:

I tried reading the text, and my german-language knowledge is +/- OK,
but it's a tad too much to filter out that particular kind of information. You can always tell me page so-and-so and the line or header.

From the abstract:
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Mehr als die Hälfte der Schwangerschaftsabbrüche (52,1 %) wurden mittels Vakuumaspiration durchgeführt, 11,4% durch eine Kürettage, 32,3% medikamentös mit dem Wirkstoff Mifepriston (Handelsname Mifegyne).
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However, you are correct about the combination: the text mentions that the statistics gather only one method while some (like vacuum aspiration and pharmaceuticals) may be applied in combination (page 47, right column, starting in line 5). Thus the numbers might be less reliable for these. OTOH, this means that in that case your statement "abortion is a pil" needs to be extended (at least for Germany).


Regards,
Gerrit

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Gerrit,

However, you are correct about the combination: the text mentions that
the statistics gather only one method while some (like vacuum aspiration and pharmaceuticals) may be applied in combination (page 47, right
column, starting in line 5). Thus the numbers might be less reliable for these. OTOH, this means that in that case your statement "abortion is a pil" needs to be extended (at least for Germany).

Thank you for the clarification. With 2 family members in the medical profession, one in obstetrics, I did ask around and did also my research.

Another contributing factor is how far the pregnancy has evolved, how many weeks ... so I think we can conclude there are many factors influencing the procedure.

I stick to my point (and I'd be surprised you'd have a differing position), that:

* Abortion is health-care
* The decision is the woman's
* Men, stay out of the decision making process
* The law, you have no business in a women's womb

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Hello Ward!

16 Nov 24 06:07, Ward Dossche wrote to Gerrit Kuehn:

I stick to my point (and I'd be surprised you'd have a differing position), that:

* Abortion is health-care

Sure. Still, I'd not call it a first-choice solution for birth control and family planning. It takes two to tango, and imho men often show an embarrassing low level of responsibility, especially on the contraception part of the story.

* The decision is the woman's

Yes.

* Men, stay out of the decision making process
* The law, you have no business in a women's womb

I guess this would need further clarification.


Regards,
Gerrit

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