The idea would be to have multiple trains carry the oil to a port where a shi

>ould be loaded. A pipeline would probably work also. If Iran is bombing thi
> in their territory, sounds like they need to retaliate.

Yes, if Iran keeps it up they will likely run into attacks involving
Boots on the Ground. It's easier to defy Trump's tactics since he
wants to do all his attacks remotely, bombs rather than bodies,
but Iran's neighbouring countries are more likely to send troops
since it is closer and they are a much nearer target for Iran to hit.

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The idea would be to have multiple trains carry the oil to a port where a shi

>ould be loaded. A pipeline would probably work also. If Iran is bombing thi
> in their territory, sounds like they need to retaliate.

Yes, if Iran keeps it up they will likely run into attacks involving
Boots on the Ground. It's easier to defy Trump's tactics since he
wants to do all his attacks remotely, bombs rather than bodies,
but Iran's neighbouring countries are more likely to send troops
since it is closer and they are a much nearer target for Iran to hit.

My thoughts. The countries in that area all have beefs with Iran regarding their (sometimes violent) actions that predate even the beginning of Trump's first term. IMHO, they seem to want others (like the US) to do something about it rather than acting on it themselves.

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If we have a widespread diesel shortage get ready for the prices of
EVERYTHING to go. Aviation kerosene will be next, followed by gas,
than heating oil.
Gonna be an interesting winter.

Especially considering that home heating oil is just Diesel under
another name.. Literally. An old friend of mine who worked for
one of the big oil companies told us that Heating Oil and Diesel
Fuel come out of the same storage tank, just sold under different
names. Another friend bought large quantities of heating oil and
then used it to fuel his Diesel Pickup truck because, without the
'Road Tax' on it, it was much cheaper.

There has been something weird going on with diesel for several years

>now. They were, once upon a time, trying to encourage the use of diesel...
>back when it was quite a lot cheaper than gas. Shortly thereafter, the
>prices shot way up. I don't think consumer demand went up that much
>because diesel car sales (at least in this area) didn't seem to go up,
>but those that did buy into the idea got a surprise.

The work involved processing Diesel is less complex than for Gasoline
so it should really be cheaper.. but it may be as above, if you make
Diesel more expensive the cost of heating oil goes up and more people
stop heating their homes with it, or installing oil furnaces in new
homes.. Is it all linked to anti-pollution / global warming?

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names. Another friend bought large quantities of heating oil and
then used it to fuel his Diesel Pickup truck because, without the
'Road Tax' on it, it was much cheaper.

Around farm country out here, they sell "off road" diesel, meant for
farm equipment. Apparently it's dyed, but I don't know how you could
tell once it's in your tank...


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The work involved processing Diesel is less complex than for Gasoline
so it should really be cheaper.. but it may be as above, if you make
Diesel more expensive the cost of heating oil goes up and more people
stop heating their homes with it, or installing oil furnaces in new
homes..

Yes, supply and demand has something to do with it for sure, but I suspect it is something else also. As Kurt pointed out, the conversion to lower-sulphur diesel happened during the timeframe I am remembering, which also caused the price to go up some.

Is it all linked to anti-pollution / global warming?

IIRC, that was part of the reason they (government and probably car manufacturers) were trying to encourage people to migrate to diesel back when it was cheaper.

That was also part of migrating to natural gas for home heat. Once enough people switched over, demand went up and natural gas was not longer quite as attractive when it came to cost savings. Several years ago, I had to replace an outside AC unit (at my old house) and chose to get a heat pump unit put in so that I could take advantage of "duel-fuel" heating... when the temperatures were not too cold, it was more cost-effective to heat the house with electric. When it got too cold for the outside unit to run efficiently, the system would switch to natural gas.

It would have paid for itself if I had stayed there another 5 years or so.

Mike

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names. Another friend bought large quantities of heating oil and
then used it to fuel his Diesel Pickup truck because, without the 'Road Tax' on it, it was much cheaper.

Around farm country out here, they sell "off road" diesel, meant for
farm equipment. Apparently it's dyed, but I don't know how you could
tell once it's in your tank...

They do that here also, but IIRC here it is called farm diesel.

Mike

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names. Another friend bought large quantities of heating oil and
then used it to fuel his Diesel Pickup truck because, without the
'Road Tax' on it, it was much cheaper.

Around farm country out here, they sell "off road" diesel, meant for

> farm equipment. Apparently it's dyed, but I don't know how you could
> tell once it's in your tank...

Yes, we have that as well. I think the only way they monitor the
use of that for other things is how much the farmer is using
compared to the size of the farm.. But I'm sure they almost all
grab some of it for other diesel vehicles if they have them.

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IIRC, isn't that part of what Volkswagen got in trouble for...

>stating that the emissions from their diesel engines were not near
>as bad as they really were? Or was that only their gas engines?

You're right, that was their Diesel models. They modified the
computer software in some way to have it give false readings
when being tested for emissions.

Do they add DEF directly to the fuel? For some reason... a friend

>making a mistake that damaged their truck...I thought DEF was
>something that they had to add by pumping it into another tank.

Yes, it is in another tank that mixes with burned fuel exhaust to
reduce Nitrogen Oxide emissions, sort of like a Catalytic Converter
which converts NOx emissions into water and less harmful gases..

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The work involved processing Diesel is less complex than for Gasoline
so it should really be cheaper..

Yes, supply and demand has something to do with it for sure, but I

>suspect it is something else also. As Kurt pointed out, the
>conversion to lower-sulphur diesel happened during the timeframe
>I am remembering, which also caused the price to go up some.

Is it all linked to anti-pollution / global warming?

IIRC, that was part of the reason they (government and probably

>car manufacturers) were trying to encourage people to migrate to
>diesel back when it was cheaper.

They say that diesel has higher NOx emmissions, hence the DEF
system, but it supposedly creates less CO2 per mile than gasoline
but more 'particulate' matter, as mentioned elsewhere. Good and bad.

That was also part of migrating to natural gas for home heat. Once enough pe

>e switched over, demand went up and natural gas was not longer quite as attra
>ve when it came to cost savings. Several years ago, I had to replace an outs
> AC unit (at my old house) and chose to get a heat pump unit put in so that I
>uld take advantage of "duel-fuel" heating... when the temperatures were not t
>cold, it was more cost-effective to heat the house with electric. When it go
>oo cold for the outside unit to run efficiently, the system would switch to n
>ral gas.

The Power co. been trying to get me to install a heat pump here, but
since I may not be here much longer in winters I feel it's not worth the
hassle of finding a place and power to run it. (It would be electric.)

Also, heat pumps are generally almost useless below about -10c (14F),
and we have a lot more days colder than that up here than you would there.

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The Power co. been trying to get me to install a heat pump
here, but since I may not be here much longer in winters I feel
it's not worth the hassle of finding a place and power to run
it. (It would be electric.)

Also, heat pumps are generally almost useless below about -10c
(14F), and we have a lot more days colder than that up here
than you would there.

I am surprised they were pushing them up there. Like you said, they get pretty useless below a certain temperature as the outside unit can no longer do its job effectively.

Only way it would maybe make sense is if you also have another heat source like I did, where it would run gas (or something) most of the harsh winter but still give you good head in the Spring and Fall, when it is colder there than here (but not as harsh as Winter). If they were trying to get you to trade electric heat pump for some other electric source, it doesn't make as much sense unless the pumps pull enough less energy to make them cost-effective for you... again during the non-Winter part of the heat season.

Where I live, they are only usually useless for a month or so and, even then, sometimes only useless at night. So they are great here so long as you have a secondary heat source to switch to at night or if it should get crazy cold here.

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The Power co. been trying to get me to install a heat pump
here, but since I may not be here much longer in winters I feel
it's not worth the hassle of finding a place and power to run
it. (It would be electric.)

Also, heat pumps are generally almost useless below about -10c
(14F), and we have a lot more days colder than that up here
than you would there.

I am surprised they were pushing them up there. Like you said,

>they get pretty useless below a certain temperature as the outside
>unit can no longer do its job effectively.

That's for air based heat pumps.. The Geo-thermal ones are much
more efficient in cold weather but much more expensive to install.
But it is the lower end ones they are trying to sell me..

Only way it would maybe make sense is if you also have another

>heat source like I did, where it would run gas (or something)
>most of the harsh winter but still give you good head in the
>Spring and Fall, when it is colder there than here

My sister has one and it was her that clued me into the fact that
they are not much good in mid winter. In theory her system switches
over to electric baseboard heaters (2000+ sq ft bungalow) but they
also have a wood pellet burning stove in the basement and the heat
from that is pumped through the house, but I think that's getting
so expensive to run they are not using it much anymore.. so mostly
all electric these days..

They also installed about $80,000 worth of solar panels but
it doesn't feed directly into the house. It goes into the
power company grid and they get a credit for the amount they
produce goes towards their regular bills. Another system that
sounded like it would be a real boon but the production and
maintenance costs are so high I think they regret installing
it and, since they got it with a contract long ago, they are
getting almost triple the money back their power produced that
people installing new solar panel systems get today, so those
would really be losing their shirts on that deal.

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I am surprised they were pushing them up there. Like you
said,

>they get pretty useless below a certain temperature as the
>outside unit can no longer do its job effectively.

That's for air based heat pumps.. The Geo-thermal ones are much
more efficient in cold weather but much more expensive to
install. But it is the lower end ones they are trying to sell
me..

Ahhh... down here, they usually just call those "geo-thermal systems" and I've never heard them called heat pumps, so I got confused.

Only way it would maybe make sense is if you also have
another

>heat source like I did, where it would run gas (or
>something) most of the harsh winter but still give you good
>head in the Spring and Fall, when it is colder there than
>here

My sister has one and it was her that clued me into the fact
that they are not much good in mid winter. In theory her system
switches over to electric baseboard heaters (2000+ sq ft
bungalow) but they also have a wood pellet burning stove in the
basement and the heat from that is pumped through the house,
but I think that's getting so expensive to run they are not
using it much anymore.. so mostly all electric these days..

I would think that the geo-thermal would actually not be as affected by it being cold outside as the traditional heat pump would, so that is interesting and good to know.

Mike

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