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Hey Alan!

WHOA!!! Big problem thought you might keep an eye out for. The latest lfs's "8.78. Udev from Systemd-259.1" is evil. I reverted back to the last stable version according to lfs's "Version 12.4" is "8.76. Udev from Systemd-257.8" and that took care of the hardware errors I was seeing - memory, sata and usb but there might have been more I didn't notice. Also returned back to the linux-6.18 branch as shown below.

<Esc>:read /proc/version
Linux version 6.18.10 (root@bitskii) (gcc (GCC) 15.2.0, GNU ld (GNU Binutils) 2.45.1) #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Thu Feb 12 00:08:19 UTC 2026

So far so good but I plan to do more testing before committing to it. I am booted to it as we speak. The current plan is to give it a couple days and see what is what then.

Life is good,
Maurice

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Hej Maurice!

So far so good but I plan to do more testing before committing to it.

Consider this confirmation of the sata and usb fixes.

I am booted to it as we speak.

Ditto.

The current plan is to give it a couple days and see what is what then.

Heh, heh. Yeah right. Anyhow it is much better than the so-called upgrade but I see some firmware issues on this particular machine. Always something ...

Het leven is goed,
Maurice

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Hey Alan!

WHOA!!! Big problem thought you might keep an eye out for. The latest lfs's "8.78. Udev from Systemd-259.1" is evil. I reverted back to the last stable version according to lfs's "Version 12.4" is "8.76. Udev from Systemd-257.8" and that took care of the hardware errors I was seeing - memory, sata and usb but there might have been more I didn't notice. Also returned back to the linux-6.18 branch as shown below.

My only SysV machine is the BBS machine. It is running r12.2-10 if I remember right and it is running fine.

<Esc>:read /proc/version
Linux version 6.18.10 (root@bitskii) (gcc (GCC) 15.2.0, GNU ld (GNU Binutils) 2.45.1) #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Thu Feb 12 00:08:19 UTC 2026

My desktop and laptop are both running recent LFS-systemd versions with glibc-2.43 and systemd-259.1. Both are running without issues, mostly.

I still have the issue with efivars and efibootmgr that I read you manged to build and install?

I did get efivars and efibootmgr installed on my latest laptop install but I built them on the host which is a slightly older LFS with glibc-2.42 and then chrooted and installed on the new install.

So far so good but I plan to do more testing before committing to it. I am booted to it as we speak. The current plan is to give it a couple days and see what is what then.

Same here. I have only been running systemd for a looksee. I read that LFS 13.0 will not include SysV because of issues with gnome and I think kde too.

I see a new openrc branch but I don't know what state it is in.

--- BBBS/Li6 v4.10 Toy-7
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Hey Alan!

My only SysV machine is the BBS machine.

Everything here, running 24/7 or otherwise, is sysv based. Not sure if I'll bother with with a systemd machine given that even with a gui onboard it will ever get much use. I live on the commandline and was highly unimpressed with systemd the last time I tried.

LFS-systemd versions with glibc-2.43 and systemd-259.1. Both are
running without issues, mostly.

I am impressed. I may have to try that soon.

I read that LFS 13.0 will not include SysV because of issues with
gnome and I think kde too.

I have neither so I am guessing I might be able to avoid that version. Who knows, I might go back to slackware if I am no longer able to keep up with the pace, especially over any gui applications. I find gui's too boring.

Anyhow thank you for the heads up and hopefully I can quickly resolve the udev issue soon. If not then ?????

Дуже груви,
Maurice

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Fate ever goes as it must.
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Everything here, running 24/7 or otherwise, is sysv based. Not sure if I'll bother with with a systemd machine given that even with a gui onboard it will ever get much use. I live on the commandline and was highly unimpressed with systemd the last time I tried.

I have always thought that systemd was over engineered, perhaps grossly over engineered.

Systemd is more than just an init system as SysV is. I'm not sure if that's a good thing.

LFS-systemd versions with glibc-2.43 and systemd-259.1. Both are
running without issues, mostly.

I am impressed. I may have to try that soon.

I am impressed too. I have always had issues of some sort with systemd and wanted to see if I could get past them. I seem to be past them now.

I read that LFS 13.0 will not include SysV because of issues with
gnome and I think kde too.

I have neither so I am guessing I might be able to avoid that version. Who knows, I might go back to slackware if I am no longer able to keep up with the pace, especially over any gui applications. I find gui's too boring.

I use xfce here. Very light weight and it has enough go to satisfy my needs.

Anyhow thank you for the heads up and hopefully I can quickly resolve the udev issue soon. If not then ?????

The issue is not that SysV is a bad thing, it's not. The issue is that gnome and kde are designed to work with systemd. The book editors have been building LFS with eudev from systemd and elogind from systemd when a desktop is wanted
and it is getting harder and harder to do.

Slackware hasn't included gnome for years now so no issue there, but kde and xfce are the main desktops in slackware. I wonder if Pat has or will come up with a way to continue on with SysV.

--- BBBS/Li6 v4.10 Toy-7
* Origin: The Rusty MailBox - Penticton, BC Canada (1:153/757)

Hey Alan!

Systemd is more than just an init system as SysV is. I'm not sure
if that's a good thing.

Way beyond what I require which I am positive is not a good thing. At the moment I am sticking with 257.8 untill I find myself bored enough to get adventerous again. I seem to go through soul searching everytime glibc releases a new branch. I think I am getting too old for this.

I seem to be past them now.

I like when that happens. I am jealous. ;-)

The issue is that gnome and kde are designed to work with systemd.

Very MS-ish if you ask me. So far I've been successfully avoiding that issue ... up to now that is. I'll see but offhand I am starting to think I might be able to avoid systemd via a busybox initrd and it's mdev function. There might be some fun there.

it is getting harder and harder to do.

You got that right. If I hadn't been doing this since the beginning I am sure it would be overwhelming.

I wonder if Pat has or will come up with a way to continue on with
SysV.

Last time I checked slackware still had the best console bar none and it was sysv/eudev based.

Life is good,
Maurice

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I wonder if Pat has or will come up with a way to continue on with
SysV.

Last time I checked slackware still had the best console bar none and it was sysv/eudev based.

I have a slackware 15.0 partition that I haven't booted for quite a while.

I don't see anything systemd in slackware 15.0 or current. I haven't heard a peep about it either and I doubt I ever will.

--- BBBS/Li6 v4.10 Toy-7
* Origin: The Rusty MailBox - Penticton, BC Canada (1:153/757)

Hey Alan!

I have a slackware 15.0 partition that I haven't booted for quite a
while.

I have a uefi usb based slackware live system I was using for kick starting drives with preinstalled systems on them. I haven't needed it for sometime now but the idea is still valid.

I haven't heard a peep about it either and I doubt I ever will.

Me neither but I'll probably investigate it in the near future ... slackware-current that is. I did a brief scan of ftp://mirror.csclub.uwaterloo.ca/slackware/slackware64-current/ recently and noted that glibc-2.43 is in the testing directory.

Speaking of testing, I did manage to build the main husky project's sources from github using their cmake based builds. Beyond that I haven't tested them as a potential fidonet node. My hesitation is it looks like it is abandonware as far as any serious development is concerned. Any thoughts on this you'd care to share?

Дуже груви,
Maurice

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