It could also be used to enhance, or remove, otherwise "good" traits from a population.

Now that I'm in the right echo to say this, I have long suspected the left of genetically mutating people in order to produce the type of voters they

esire

Am I late to that party? Is the discussion of that already a thing?

How would they do that genetically?

Look at the Trump/Harris map. Is there any better explanation for it? Why

oul

brainwashing/propaganda be so successful in certain regions?

Because those areas have always been traditionally Democrat, and the
Democrats usually give lots of handouts in those regions.


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Now that I'm in the right echo to say this, I have long suspected the le genetically mutating people in order to produce the type of voters they

esire

Am I late to that party? Is the discussion of that already a thing?

How would they do that genetically?

The left has experts in every field:

Step one: Get psychologists to identify common biological properties of Democrat voters.

Step two: Get biologists to figure out how to intensify the properties.

Step three: Get chemists to concoct the special kool aid.

Step four: Get big names in the food industry to distribute the concoction.

The end result is a special hybrid human race that:
* Likes freeloading
* Wants to save the whales
* Is willing to inject drugs if Simon says
* Has purple hair
* Thinks that all white people are Hitler
* Is lazy, but will totally head out to the polls in on Election Day

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Aaron Thomas wrote to Mike Powell <=-

The left has experts in every field:

You left out Step Zero: Infiltrate the universities so that you turn out "experts" who are not experts but rather propagandists who only tow the party line and say what you want them to say - no matter what science actually says.

The end result is a special hybrid human race that:
* Likes freeloading
* Wants to save the whales
* Is willing to inject drugs if Simon says
* Has purple hair
* Thinks that all white people are Hitler
* Is lazy, but will totally head out to the polls in on Election Day

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The left has experts in every field:

You left out Step Zero: Infiltrate the universities so that you turn out "experts" who are not experts but rather propagandists who only tow the party line and say what you want them to say - no matter what science actually says.

Yes, that's part of the agenda also. I read on Fox News that "Trump now has a 47% approval rating."

But their source for that is "according to a poll conducted by AARP."

Did you know that AARP is an "expert" at conducting polls?

"AARP is the nation's largest nonprofit, nonpartisan organization dedicated
to empowering Americans 50 and older to choose how they live as they age."

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Ron L. wrote to Aaron Thomas <=-

You left out Step Zero: Infiltrate the universities so that you turn
out "experts" who are not experts but rather propagandists who only tow the party line and say what you want them to say - no matter what
science actually says.

There's a lot to be said for teaching critical thinking in high schools
and college - simply learning to spot fallacious reasoning can go a long
way to making an influence-resistant populace.

One thing I miss about the '90s BBS scene was that there was a skeptic's "scene" online - there was a SKEPTIC echo on Fido, and a board in the
San Francisco bay area called "The Skeptic's Board" that was all about analyzing political and scientific trends and claims.

We need more of that.


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Aaron Thomas wrote to Dr. What <=-

Did you know that AARP is an "expert" at conducting polls?

"AARP is the nation's largest nonprofit, nonpartisan organization dedicated to empowering Americans 50 and older to choose how they live
as they age."

AARP is a scam and I found that our decades ago. They didn't have to be infiltrated. They were Woke from the start.


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One thing I miss about the '90s BBS scene was that there was a skeptic's "scene" online - there was a SKEPTIC echo on Fido, and a board in the
San Francisco bay area called "The Skeptic's Board" that was all about analyzing political and scientific trends and claims.

Back around 1990, on the GT Power Network, there was a sysop who sponsored
a Skeptic's echo. When he closed down his BBS, he moved it to an email
group and asked me to bridge it to the Network.

That network died after the original GT Power developer ceased development,
but I kept bridging the echo to other boards. As social media became prominent, the list eventually died out.

I also remember a board in Louisville hosted local Political/Debate and Philosophy forums. Those were often full of good discussion.

I miss that kind of stuff also. The discussions, in the latter especially, were very much more informed than what we get in echoes like this one now.
It was a time before social media, and before most cable news networks, so maybe that is why.


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AARP is a scam and I found that our decades ago. They didn't have to be infiltrated. They were Woke from the start.

The same goes for PEW research center.

This won't surprise you: PEW research center ALSO says "Trump has a 47% approval rating."

How is that possible? (It's not.) Only if both organizations polled the same exact people 2 times, in the same day.

If we compare this "approval rating" with the results of the election, it doesn't add up. It's as if they polled all the Harris voters "How do you rate your approval of Trump?"

Nobody regrets voting for Trump. He's serving us the stuff that we asked for.

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Aaron Thomas wrote to Dr. What <=-

How is that possible? (It's not.) Only if both organizations polled the same exact people 2 times, in the same day.

That's why I don't bother with most polls. They are just propaganda.

Nobody regrets voting for Trump. He's serving us the stuff that we
asked for.

Yup. The only people I see whining are the members of the paracite class who are actually going to have to work at a job they are qualified for. But, off hand, I don't know of any such jobs.

After all, their Elitist masters worked hard at jacking up the minimum wage so that the unskilled can't get jobs at all. Been to a McDonalds lately? No cashiers. Maybe 2 people in the back making the food and one "runner" plus a "janitor" that comes in for 2 hours/day.


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After all, their Elitist masters worked hard at jacking up the minimum wage so that the unskilled can't get jobs at all. Been to a McDonalds lately? No cashiers. Maybe 2 people in the back making the food and one "runner" plus a "janitor" that comes in for 2 hours/day.

Prepared food used to have a high profit margin. Franchisees definitely didn't ask for this, but what about the CEO of McDonalds? Was he not at the WEF when they discussed minimum wage hikes for the USA? It's got to be costing him/her money also.

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Aaron Thomas wrote to Dr. What <=-

Prepared food used to have a high profit margin.

The majority of what you pay (today) for prepared food is the cost of preparing it - not the cost of the food. But the Elitists don't want us plebes to have access to good food, so they piled on regulations, raised minimum wage, etc. to increase the cost of preparing the food.

And there went that high profit margin for the restaurants. And, with the whole tipped wage, etc. that Michigan is piling on, most of the small restaurants will go out of business.

But that's the plan. The Elitsts don't like us plebes eating near them. And they don't like us plebes to have access to good food.

Franchisees definitely
didn't ask for this, but what about the CEO of McDonalds? Was he not at the WEF when they discussed minimum wage hikes for the USA? It's got to
be costing him/her money also.

It is. But many of these CEOs were compromised a while ago. The shareholders need to rise up and fire them. But that won't happen until the Woke CEO runs the business into the ground.


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Ron L. wrote to Aaron Thomas <=-

The majority of what you pay (today) for prepared food is the cost of preparing it - not the cost of the food. But the Elitists don't want
us plebes to have access to good food, so they piled on regulations, raised minimum wage, etc. to increase the cost of preparing the food.

The people making the food qualify as "plebes", it's be nice if they
could afford to go out once in a while.

As for regulations limiting our access to "good food", my first thought
was health and safety regulations. I'm ok with the cost overhear
involved with preventing foodborne illnesses. They aren't fun.

It is. But many of these CEOs were compromised a while ago. The shareholders need to rise up and fire them. But that won't happen
until the Woke CEO runs the business into the ground.

You'll need to expand on this point - to me, CEOs appear beholden to
increasing shareholder value over expanding business by appealing to
customer's needs.



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Prepared food used to have a high profit margin.

The majority of what you pay (today) for prepared food is the cost of preparing it - not the cost of the food. But the Elitists don't want us plebes to have access to good food, so they piled on regulations, raised minimum wage, etc. to increase the cost of preparing the food.

I think this answers my question about "Why did the CEO of McDonalds let the minimum wage hike happen?"

The minimum wage hikes made or will make small restaurants (and other small businesses) go out of business. That's one thing that McDonalds (and other big brands) potentially stand to gain from the minimum wage hikes. If Steve's Diner is closed, there's a McDonalds around the corner.

But what you said is also true: elitists don't really want us eating healthy. Our health problems are an advantage to another member of the WEF (Medical and pharmaceutical industries.) Once they're a household brand, they're all on the same team. After they make us unhealthy, they'll sell us a pill for that.

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Aaron Thomas wrote to Dr. What <=-

The minimum wage hikes made or will make small restaurants (and other small businesses) go out of business. That's one thing that McDonalds
(and other big brands) potentially stand to gain from the minimum wage hikes. If Steve's Diner is closed, there's a McDonalds around the
corner.

Yup. McDonalds has the money to increase automation but Joe's Burger down the street doesn't. So Joe goes out of business.

This attitude was made obvious during the scamdemic when mom-and-pop stores had to close, but big box stores could stay open. It's much easier to control a few large companies instead of thousands of small businesses.

But what you said is also true: elitists don't really want us eating healthy.

They don't want us eating more than subsistence. The Elitist attitude is "If you have something, then you've taken it from the Elitists." So they want you to have as little as possible. Also, if the plebes are spending their time trying to get enough food, they won't be spending time opposing Elitists.

Our health problems are an advantage to another member of the
WEF (Medical and pharmaceutical industries.) Once they're a household brand, they're all on the same team. After they make us unhealthy,
they'll sell us a pill for that.

Yes. We need to remember that "The Elitists" aren't a single group. They are a set of groups, each with their own goals that (currently) align somewhat.


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As for regulations limiting our access to "good food", my first thought
was health and safety regulations. I'm ok with the cost overhear
involved with preventing foodborne illnesses. They aren't fun.

Speaking from experience, of all of the unfun illnesses, they rank as some
of the least fun, right above those that lead to permanent disfigurment, amputations, or that cause certain death.

It is. But many of these CEOs were compromised a while ago. The shareholders need to rise up and fire them. But that won't happen
until the Woke CEO runs the business into the ground.

You'll need to expand on this point - to me, CEOs appear beholden to increasing shareholder value over expanding business by appealing to customer's needs.

That is something that has always confused me, and I have a business
degree. To me, appealing to customer needs and expanding the business
should lead to increasing value for shareholders. However, many businesses don't seem to do that and yet continue doing well on Wall Street, which
seems counterintuitive.


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Yup. McDonalds has the money to increase automation but Joe's Burger
down the street doesn't. So Joe goes out of business.

This attitude was made obvious during the scamdemic when mom-and-pop stores had to close, but big box stores could stay open. It's much
easier to control a few large companies instead of thousands of small businesses.

I used to think that they were just in it for the money, but it's obvious that there's more to life than just money (even for the ultra wealthy elite.)

They don't want us eating more than subsistence. The Elitist attitude
is "If you have something, then you've taken it from the Elitists." So they want you to have as little as possible. Also, if the plebes are spending their time trying to get enough food, they won't be spending
time opposing Elitists.

That's a good point. When the elite want to be "productive," all they have to do is just slow down everyone else's productivity.

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Aaron Thomas wrote to Dr. What <=-

I used to think that they were just in it for the money, but it's
obvious that there's more to life than just money (even for the ultra wealthy elite.)

Right. That's why we need to stop thinking that this is one group of Elitists.
It's multiple and they are (sort-of) working together right now. Some want power. Some want money. Some want both. Others have wierd ideas about overpopulation. Still others believe the climate change hoax.

But the goal of all of them are the same: Take decision making power from the plebes and give it to themselves. But they never accept their track record because every time they got power, they completely messed everything up.

That's a good point. When the elite want to be "productive," all they
have to do is just slow down everyone else's productivity.

The Elitists never want to be productive. They want to just sit on their thrones and yell "Make it so!"


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Right. That's why we need to stop thinking that this is one group of Elitists. It's multiple and they are (sort-of) working together right now. Some want power. Some want money. Some want both. Others have wierd ideas about overpopulation. Still others believe the climate
change hoax.

But the goal of all of them are the same: Take decision making power
from the plebes and give it to themselves. But they never accept their track record because every time they got power, they completely messed everything up.

I don't think that anyone truly believes in "climate change," except for possibly the blue dummies on the Trump-Harris map. When I hear celebrities talking about it I wonder "Do they even believe the crap that they're saying?"

I don't belive in "fighting" climate change. If God wants it, then we're having it. What other Godly things do they want us to fight?

The best way to combat climate change is with a coat and gloves in the winter, and shorts and t-shirts in the summer.

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Aaron Thomas wrote to Dr. What <=-

I don't think that anyone truly believes in "climate change," except
for possibly the blue dummies on the Trump-Harris map.

That's pretty much it. And the Elitists who want to use it as an excuse to grab more money/power.

Our Tyrant Governor here in Michigan wanted to chop down large swaths of forests to... get this... put up a solar farm. Excuse: Fighting Climate Change. Now you know that Climate Change is a hoax.

When I hear
celebrities talking about it I wonder "Do they even believe the crap
that they're saying?"

Probably not. They say whatever gets dollars in their pockets.


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Our Tyrant Governor here in Michigan wanted to chop down large swaths of forests to... get this... put up a solar farm. Excuse: Fighting Climate Change. Now you know that Climate Change is a hoax.

The left just announced that we need to double our electric supply "because
of AI." So good thing Gretchen built that solar farm. That ought to give us all the electric we need for this, right? lol

I'm concerned about doubling the electric consumption. It sounds like higher electric bills (but they're already out of whack) and we're also going to double the amount of nuclear waste that we'll have to store.

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Aaron Thomas wrote to Dr. What <=-

The left just announced that we need to double our electric supply "because of AI." So good thing Gretchen built that solar farm. That
ought to give us all the electric we need for this, right? lol

The Anointed will simply have to use their god-like power to command more clear, sunny, summer days in Michigan.

I'm concerned about doubling the electric consumption. It sounds like higher electric bills (but they're already out of whack) and we're also going to double the amount of nuclear waste that we'll have to store.

The real problem is the grid. It's already stretched thin and the tree-huggers won't want to update/expand it. More electricity is not useful if you can't get it to those who need it.

But that's irrelevant. All this "doubling our electric supply" is just an excuse for more tax money laundering into projects that never finish or even come close to what they said. How about that high-speed in California?


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Aaron Thomas wrote to Ron L. <=-

Our Tyrant Governor here in Michigan wanted to chop down large swaths of forests to... get this... put up a solar farm. Excuse: Fighting Climate Change. Now you know that Climate Change is a hoax.

That's one conclusion. Another is that climate change is real and
attempts to add renewable energy are a good thing - but to recommend
cutting 420 acres of forest to do so is idiocy.

The left just announced that we need to double our electric supply "because of AI." So good thing Gretchen built that solar farm. That
ought to give us all the electric we need for this, right? lol

Not sure what one has to do with the other, as the Michigan efforts were
about clean energy, not AI. AI grid demands are not to be overlooked. I
wonder when we're going to reach a point when people argue about the
merits of AI based on the power draw it takes to create AI output?

We're in the early phases of AI, I think it depends on us moving to the
"killer app" phase. There's nothing really compelling, yet - just a lot
of potential.

I'm concerned about doubling the electric consumption. It sounds like higher electric bills (but they're already out of whack) and we're also going to double the amount of nuclear waste that we'll have to store.

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Kentucky (outside of Louisville and Lexington) has one of the lowest costs of living. You are not going to buy a good home in a good area
on a fast food "salary" here.

47th in economy, 34th in education, 43rd in fisxcal stability, 40th in
health care... you get what you pay for.

While Louisville may prop the state up in a couple of those stats, they really pull us down in Education. You didn't cite violent crime, but they pull us down there also. Ironically, or not, they are the one consistently "blue"
area of the state and have one of the higher costs of living in the state.


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The left just announced that we need to double our electric supply "because of AI." So good thing Gretchen built that solar farm. That ought to give us

l

the electric we need for this, right? lol

Is Elon part of "the left" because he, and a couple of other folks like Sam Altman who was recently in the President's company, are the ones that are pushing the adaptation of AI, specifically *their* AI.

I have not seen Gretchen pushing AI and didn't know she owned any
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I'm concerned about doubling the electric consumption. It sounds like higher electric bills (but they're already out of whack) and we're al going to double the amount of nuclear waste that we'll have to store.

The real problem is the grid. It's already stretched thin and the tree-huggers won't want to update/expand it. More electricity is not useful if you can't get it to those who need it.

I think I got the story wrong.. It's not that we need to double our electricity, but it's the AI data centers that need to double their electricity. So hopefully this won't affect us financially any time soon.

But I strongly distrust the premise of "AI is to make our lives better." I strongly suspect that all the talk about it is to ease us into coming to terms with robot warfare. (Who cares if China is ahead of us in technology? It only matter if it's a security issue!)

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about clean energy, not AI. AI grid demands are not to be overlooked. I wonder when we're going to reach a point when people argue about the merits of AI based on the power draw it takes to create AI output?

That's my point exactly. What good is AI? I haven't experienced the "goodness" of it yet. Have you? There's nothing good about extra nuclear waste.

We're in the early phases of AI, I think it depends on us moving to the "killer app" phase. There's nothing really compelling, yet - just a lot
of potential.

Yes, that's another of my major concerns about AI. "Killer apps" as in "apps that can kill people," right? Or what about humanoid robots with titanium freddy kruger hands? I don't know how "early" the phase really is. Maybe China is ready to sick their robot dogs on us already :(

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Is Elon part of "the left" because he, and a couple of other folks like Sam Altman who was recently in the President's company, are the ones
that are pushing the adaptation of AI, specifically *their* AI.

Elon might be part of the left, and he might be saving "us" all this money so that he can use it to depopulate us. In the past, Trump has definitely made
the mistake of trusting the wrong people.

We need to find out what's really going on with AI. The media isn't telling us jack. "AI will help us cure cancer." Uh huh..

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Aaron Thomas wrote to Dr. What <=-

I think I got the story wrong.. It's not that we need to double our electricity, but it's the AI data centers that need to double their electricity. So hopefully this won't affect us financially any time
soon.

Ya, I can see AI centers creating their own ability to generate power if they need that much.

But I strongly distrust the premise of "AI is to make our lives
better."

It's like any new technology. You have the cheerleaders saying "it will solve world hunger!" and the nay-sayers "it will destroy civilization." But like any tool, it depends on how it's used.

Like I said before, the biggest threat from AI is that people blindly trust it.

I strongly suspect that all the talk about it is to ease us
into coming to terms with robot warfare. (Who cares if China is ahead
of us in technology? It only matter if it's a security issue!)

We already have that with the military drones and, really, we've had that since long range missles.


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Aaron Thomas wrote to Kurt Weiske <=-

That's my point exactly. What good is AI? I haven't experienced the "goodness" of it yet. Have you? There's nothing good about extra
nuclear waste.

I've seen it in one of my company's products that has proven to keep people in hospitals safe.

If you've done any kind of web search, you've used AI.

AI has been around for a long time. It's just that we are seeing a lot of hype about it today. And like all hype, I ignore it until I see if prove itself.

Yes, that's another of my major concerns about AI. "Killer apps" as in "apps that can kill people," right?

Worst that can happen there is a bad GPS. But you shouldn't be blindly trusting you GPS anyway.

Or what about humanoid robots with
titanium freddy kruger hands? I don't know how "early" the phase really is. Maybe China is ready to sick their robot dogs on us already :(

This would be something that kills its makers right off the bat, pushing the whole project down the memory hole.


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Aaron Thomas wrote to Mike Powell <=-

Elon might be part of the left, and he might be saving "us" all this
money so that he can use it to depopulate us. In the past, Trump has definitely made the mistake of trusting the wrong people.

That is certainly something we need to keep an eye on. But Elon likes yanking on the Woke. So I think we're good here.

We need to find out what's really going on with AI. The media isn't telling us jack. "AI will help us cure cancer." Uh huh..

AI's are really good at correllating data (I won't call it "learning") and coming up with results that we didn't see.

There was an experiment a while ago about AI's and food. It has suggested some combinations that people were very sceptical about, but it turned out very tasty.

For what Elon is doing, he's using the correllating power of AI systems to examine the money trail. Everything else can be hidden or covered up, but money leaves a trail. And that's how he's finding things.

Ex: USAID gives money to non-profit A, who gives it to non-profit B, who supports terrorist groups.

He's not going to cure cancer, but he will build tools that will help us prevent the Deep State from rising again. One of the things that Elon promised us was an AI that you could feed in gov't bills and it would kick out a simple summary. No more reading 500+ page bills to see that it has stuff in it completely unrelated to what the bill was supposed to be about.


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But I strongly distrust the premise of "AI is to make our lives better."

It's like any new technology. You have the cheerleaders saying "it will solve world hunger!" and the nay-sayers "it will destroy civilization." But like any tool, it depends on how it's used.

Facebook comes to mind: It was awesome at first. It was like a modern version of a BBS but with an interface that made it easy for everyone to use. But 10 years after its inception, it was being used to install socialism in the USA.

Notice the similarity with AI: It's cute and cuddly right now. You can ask it silly questions and get funny answers. But what sick agenda will it be be fulfilling in 10 years?

I strongly suspect that all the talk about it is to ease us
into coming to terms with robot warfare. (Who cares if China is ahead of us in technology? It only matter if it's a security issue!)

We already have that with the military drones and, really, we've had
that since long range missles.

That's a good point, but think about the advantages of conducting a ground war when you have an army of soldiers that's immune to injuries, and is born on an assembly line.

Then there's the added advantage of being able to blame it on "an AI computer malfunction" or "this one bad guy masterminded it and he is now in custody." Sorta like "a bat from the wet market did it."

And if that's not enough, there's yet another advantage "Due to the AI massacre disaster, we will now be controlling all communications much more tightly as a precaution - and if you are against that then you are part of the problem."

I'm not trying to stress you or anyone else out with this, but the covid-19 stuff was a very dirty trick that was played on us and I want people to be as ready as possible for the next rabbit that gets pulled out of George Soros' hat.

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Is Elon part of "the left" because he, and a couple of other folks like Sam Altman who was recently in the President's company, are the ones that are pushing the adaptation of AI, specifically *their* AI.

Elon might be part of the left, and he might be saving "us" all this money so that he can use it to depopulate us. In the past, Trump has definitely made the mistake of trusting the wrong people.

We need to find out what's really going on with AI. The media isn't telling

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jack. "AI will help us cure cancer." Uh huh..

They are hoping it will have more brain power, and can work faster, than humans. The reality is that it will only work as good as the people who
are programming and maintaining it, and will likely contain all of their biases. If you want to know what is going on with AI I would suggest keeping up with tech websites that have a lot of space dedicated to AI developments.

I don't know of any "average people," leftists or conservatives, who are pushing AI. Most of them seem as skeptical about it as you or I. The only people I know of who are pushing it are the ones that hope to make money off
of it, or that already are making money off of the yet-to-be-realized promise of it.


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Our Tyrant Governor here in Michigan wanted to chop down large swaths of forests to... get this... put up a solar farm. Excuse: Fighting Climate Change. Now you know that Climate Change is a hoax.

That's one conclusion. Another is that climate change is real and
attempts to add renewable energy are a good thing - but to recommend
cutting 420 acres of forest to do so is idiocy.

There seems to be some sort of "thing" going on lately with the "true"
climate change believers where they seem to think that trees (and nature in general) are not really that imporant to the climate.

I think that seems counterintuitive (and stupid) myself, but there are sometimes articles about it, like how some scientists created some "natural filter thing" that would be placed outside along city streets that would convert CO2 into Oxygen... you know, like trees already do.

Unlike trees, they don't provide any shade or places for wildlife to hang
out and live. They would also require care and maintenance, just like a
tree, so that they keep working.

The left just announced that we need to double our electric supply "because of AI." So good thing Gretchen built that solar farm. That ought to give us all the electric we need for this, right? lol

Not sure what one has to do with the other, as the Michigan efforts were about clean energy, not AI. AI grid demands are not to be overlooked. I wonder when we're going to reach a point when people argue about the
merits of AI based on the power draw it takes to create AI output?

I have already seen (and posted) articles about that. So far, they are
playing lip-service to the idea that it "might be" bad for the
environment... maybe even more so than cow flatulance... but are not
letting that slow them down any.

Maybe they are hoping that AI will be able to figure out a solution.


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Aaron Thomas wrote to Kurt Weiske <=-

We're in the early phases of AI, I think it depends on us moving to the "killer app" phase. There's nothing really compelling, yet - just a lot
of potential.

Yes, that's another of my major concerns about AI. "Killer apps" as in "apps that can kill people," right? Or what about humanoid robots with titanium freddy kruger hands? I don't know how "early" the phase really is. Maybe China is ready to sick their robot dogs on us already :(

I read an interesting article that talked about the problems with anthropomorphic robots. If you design a robot to clean floors, why does
it need to have two legs and hands that can crush your windpipe?

Science Fiction has dealt with the "undeserving creator" trope, where we
create artificial intelligence, are found wanting, and eliminated by the intelligence we create. Maybe we killed our creators, too, and this is a
cycle? (yet another Science Fiction trope...)

We need more science fiction writers involved in science and politics.
I'm reminded of a tweet I'd read a few months back that I saved:


@AlexBlechMan

Sci-Fi Author:
In my book I invented the Torment Nexus as a cautionary tale.

Tech Company:
At long last, we have created the Torment Nexus from the classic sci-fi
novel "Don't Create The Torment Nexus".






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jack. "AI will help us cure cancer." Uh huh..

They are hoping it will have more brain power, and can work faster, than humans. The reality is that it will only work as good as the people who are programming and maintaining it, and will likely contain all of their biases. If you want to know what is going on with AI I would suggest keeping up with tech websites that have a lot of space dedicated to AI developments.

That does sound interesting, but I'm hoping to see real life evidence of AI working for us some day.

I don't know of any "average people," leftists or conservatives, who are pushing AI. Most of them seem as skeptical about it as you or I. The only people I know of who are pushing it are the ones that hope to make money off of it, or that already are making money off of the yet-to-be-realized promise of it.

I've heard radio ads with companies offering to "use AI to help run your business more efficiently," and then I've seen company websites with chatbots that they refer to as AI. "Let AI assist you.." (And of course those chatbots are not helpful at all.)

Let's keep our fingers crossed, but let's keep our money away from it until it starts producing results.

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titanium freddy kruger hands? I don't know how "early" the phase real is. Maybe China is ready to sick their robot dogs on us already :(

I read an interesting article that talked about the problems with anthropomorphic robots. If you design a robot to clean floors, why does
it need to have two legs and hands that can crush your windpipe?

That's a good question.

We need more science fiction writers involved in science and politics.
I'm reminded of a tweet I'd read a few months back that I saved:

I agree with you on that. Police use possible scenarios to solve crimes, but they could benefit from a bigger library of motives (more imagination.)

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Aaron Thomas wrote to Dr. What <=-

I think I got the story wrong.. It's not that we need to double our electricity, but it's the AI data centers that need to double their electricity. So hopefully this won't affect us financially any time soon.

Ya, I can see AI centers creating their own ability to generate power if they need that much.

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Let's keep our fingers crossed, but let's keep our money away from it until it
starts producing results.

That is what I would like to see done, but apparently the current administration had other plans and has already promised millions
(billions?) towards it.


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I read an interesting article that talked about the problems with anthropomorphic robots. If you design a robot to clean floors, why does
it need to have two legs and hands that can crush your windpipe?

Interesting, and my answer would be it doesn't. There may be some theory
that people will be more accepting of the robots if they look more like
people but, as you have pointed out, that theory doesn't look far enough
ahead to see the potential drawbacks.

Sci-Fi Author:
In my book I invented the Torment Nexus as a cautionary tale.

Tech Company:
At long last, we have created the Torment Nexus from the classic sci-fi
novel "Don't Create The Torment Nexus".

Sounds like something Elon Musk would do just because he can.


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Aaron Thomas wrote to Dr. What <=-

Facebook comes to mind: It was awesome at first. It was like a modern version of a BBS but with an interface that made it easy for everyone
to use. But 10 years after its inception, it was being used to install socialism in the USA.

Yup. The Anointed ones always infiltrate and subvert anything successful.

Notice the similarity with AI: It's cute and cuddly right now. You can
ask it silly questions and get funny answers. But what sick agenda will
it be be fulfilling in 10 years?

10 years? It's now.

Was it Google's AI that was producing race twisted pictures of famous Americans?I know it was one of them.

But it has to do with training. Google's AI is already untrustworthy no matter what they do.

I doubt I'll ever trust a "general AI" and I won't trust one that gives answers on soft subjects. But I probably would trust an AI on auto repair, or computer programming - but only to a certain extent. They can't be blindly trusted.

Those of us in IT already know what happens when you mix 3rd rate Indian programmers and Stack Overflow.

That's a good point, but think about the advantages of conducting a
ground war when you have an army of soldiers that's immune to injuries, and is born on an assembly line.

We already have wars that can happen without the combatents actually being to see one another. Press a button. Enemy at X is gone.

Then there's the added advantage of being able to blame it on "an AI computer malfunction" or "this one bad guy masterminded it and he is
now in custody." Sorta like "a bat from the wet market did it."

Oh, ya. That's they the Elitists are so gung-ho about fascism.

Despite what the Elitists claim, fascism means socialism but the actual means of production are privately held. They are just told what to do by the State. So if everything goes bad, the State just blames the company holders.

And if that's not enough, there's yet another advantage "Due to the AI massacre disaster, we will now be controlling all communications much
more tightly as a precaution - and if you are against that then you are part of the problem."

Standard Leftism: Never let a trajedy go unexploited.

I'm not trying to stress you or anyone else out with this, but the covid-19 stuff was a very dirty trick that was played on us and I want people to be as ready as possible for the next rabbit that gets pulled
out of George Soros' hat.

Oh, ya. I don't think many people will be taken in again.

But I do still see people wearing masks today.


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Gregory Deyss wrote to Dr. What <=-

TOS "The Ultimate Computer"
M5 Multitronic Dr. Richard Daystrom's Unit. (played by William
Marshall) took power directly from the Warp Engines - after circuit was interrupted

I doubt our AIs will get that powerful (anytime soon). But I can see them setting up a small thorium reactor to power it today.


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Aaron Thomas wrote to Mike Powell <=-

I've heard radio ads with companies offering to "use AI to help run
your business more efficiently,"

I can see that. Similar to what DOGE is doing for the Federal spending. At least it will keep Milton from continuing to receive his paycheck after he was layed off.

and then I've seen company websites
with chatbots that they refer to as AI. "Let AI assist you.." (And of course those chatbots are not helpful at all.)

Just modern ELIZA programs. Ya, pretty much useless.

Let's keep our fingers crossed, but let's keep our money away from it until it starts producing results.

Oh, ya.


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I doubt I'll ever trust a "general AI" and I won't trust one that gives answers on soft subjects. But I probably would trust an AI on auto repair, or computer programming - but only to a certain extent. They can't be blindly trusted.

That's probably what they're aiming for. The sheeple already blindly trust Google search results for everything. But Google search results don't always provide links that the left wants to convey; the search results could inadvertently provide links to anti-left webpages.

That's where AI comes to the left's rescue: Instead of providing links to potentially anti-left webpages, it's giving precise propaganda directly from Google.

And if they haven't begun doing so already, they'll probably start letting AI "rank" the webpage results. That way they can blame bias on AI if it ever goes to court.

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Aaron Thomas wrote to Dr. What <=-

That's probably what they're aiming for. The sheeple already blindly
trust Google search results for everything. But Google search results don't always provide links that the left wants to convey; the search results could inadvertently provide links to anti-left webpages.

That's where AI comes to the left's rescue: Instead of providing links
to potentially anti-left webpages, it's giving precise propaganda
directly from Google.

And if they haven't begun doing so already, they'll probably start
letting AI "rank" the webpage results. That way they can blame bias on
AI if it ever goes to court.

But they already do that. Google search results are not trustworthy on too many topics. And people should know that (by now).

If I do a search for "TRS-80 Model I invasion force", I'll get trustworthy results.
But if I do a search on "2020 election fraud", I know that Google will feed me a a bunch of propaganda.


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Mike Powell wrote to KURT WEISKE <=-

There seems to be some sort of "thing" going on lately with the "true" climate change believers where they seem to think that trees (and
nature in general) are not really that imporant to the climate.

That does seem counter-intuitive. I do think we're past the point that
nature could find equilibrium without intervention, but, hey - I like
trees and forests. I've never been a viridian environmentalist.

I think that seems counterintuitive (and stupid) myself, but there are sometimes articles about it, like how some scientists created some "natural filter thing" that would be placed outside along city streets that would convert CO2 into Oxygen... you know, like trees already do.

Trees are free. CO2 scrubber systems can be licensed, patented, placed
in service contracts and ultimately use the threat of multiple species extinction to justify their cost increases.

Man, I'm getting cynical!

Maybe they are hoping that AI will be able to figure out a solution.

Yeah, get rid of the people. Don't these people watch/read science
fiction?



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Gregory Deyss wrote to Ron L. <=-

TOS "The Ultimate Computer"
M5 Multitronic Dr. Richard Daystrom's Unit. (played by William
Marshall) took power directly from the Warp Engines - after circuit was interrupted

I was a big fan of the 1970s film "Colossus: The Forbin Project" - where
an early incarnation of SKYNET/WOPR tasked with the US' missile defense
becomes sentient, discovers a counterpart in the USSR and colludes with
it to create a safer world - by taking mankind out of the equation and
running the world for us. Or else.



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And if they haven't begun doing so already, they'll probably start letting AI "rank" the webpage results. That way they can blame bias o AI if it ever goes to court.

But they already do that. Google search results are not trustworthy on too many topics. And people should know that (by now).

If I do a search for "TRS-80 Model I invasion force", I'll get
trustworthy results.
But if I do a search on "2020 election fraud", I know that Google will feed me a a bunch of propaganda.

Yea, there's that. But I was referring to search queries for stuff that leads to sales. But I think I was wrong to infer that this isn't already happening.

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TOS "The Ultimate Computer"
M5 Multitronic Dr. Richard Daystrom's Unit. (played by William Marshall) took power directly from the Warp Engines - after circuit wa
interrupted

I was a big fan of the 1970s film "Colossus: The Forbin Project" - where an early incarnation of SKYNET/WOPR tasked with the US' missile defense becomes sentient, discovers a counterpart in the USSR and colludes with
it to create a safer world - by taking mankind out of the equation and running the world for us. Or else.

Thanks, sounds interesting I'll see if I can locate that one. locally or online.

Gregory

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Aaron Thomas wrote to Dr. What <=-

Yea, there's that. But I was referring to search queries for stuff that leads to sales. But I think I was wrong to infer that this isn't
already happening.

Ya, it's already happening. I think the vast majority of people know that search results are biased in some form and do not represent "the truth".


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There seems to be some sort of "thing" going on lately with the "true" climate change believers where they seem to think that trees (and
nature in general) are not really that imporant to the climate.

That does seem counter-intuitive. I do think we're past the point that
nature could find equilibrium without intervention, but, hey - I like
trees and forests. I've never been a viridian environmentalist.

Maybe. I try not to drive if I don't have to, try not to run my heat too
high (or AC too low), and turn off as many things as I can when not using
them. Part of that is to save money, but not entirely. If everyone did
that, I wonder if that intervention is enough.

One thing we have to keep in mind is that, even if we cut back on
everything, the Earth does go through its own cycles so we might not see obvious results in our lifetime (or maybe 1000s of years) because we are
not likely to stop whatever the Earth is up to (at least not without some science fictionesque catastrophe happening as a result).

I think that seems counterintuitive (and stupid) myself, but there are sometimes articles about it, like how some scientists created some "natural filter thing" that would be placed outside along city streets that would convert CO2 into Oxygen... you know, like trees already do.

Trees are free. CO2 scrubber systems can be licensed, patented, placed
in service contracts and ultimately use the threat of multiple species extinction to justify their cost increases.

Man, I'm getting cynical!

Being cynical doesn't make you wrong. I think you have probably hit the
nail on the head, enough so that I wonder why I didn't see this obvious conclusion myself.

Maybe they are hoping that AI will be able to figure out a solution.

Yeah, get rid of the people. Don't these people watch/read science
fiction?

Shhh! It reads everything we type. Don't give it any ideas!!! :O :D


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Gregory Deyss wrote to Kurt Weiske <=-

I was a big fan of the 1970s film "Colossus: The Forbin Project" - where an early incarnation of SKYNET/WOPR tasked with the US' missile defense

Thanks, sounds interesting I'll see if I can locate that one. locally
or online.

I'm pretty sure was on YouTube for free, but it's been removed for some
reason. There are lots of clips and trailers to let you get an idea of
the film.




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Mike Powell wrote to KURT WEISKE <=-

everything, the Earth does go through its own cycles so we might not
see obvious results in our lifetime (or maybe 1000s of years) because
we are not likely to stop whatever the Earth is up to (at least not without some science fictionesque catastrophe happening as a result).

Oh, I'm not worried about the Earth. Mankind may come and go, but Earth
abides.



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On 26 Feb 2025, Kurt Weiske said the following...

Gregory Deyss wrote to Kurt Weiske <=-

I was a big fan of the 1970s film "Colossus: The Forbin Project" - whe
an early incarnation of SKYNET/WOPR tasked with the US' missile defens

Thanks, sounds interesting I'll see if I can locate that one. locally or online.

I'm pretty sure was on YouTube for free, but it's been removed for some
reason. There are lots of clips and trailers to let you get an idea of
the film.

Maybe a search on the Roku TV app with be able to find, they have many channels that only cost a little bit to watch the old stuff.
I will let you know what I find.

Greg

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