• Epstein and Gaetz

    From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to IB JOE on Fri Nov 22 10:35:00 2024
    I wouldn't count on Matt releasing the Epstein list. He might just be
    n
    it.

    Trump said he was going to release the list and Matt is out.

    Now with Matt gone maybe he can. Apparently Matt visited the Senate
    earlier this week and realized the confirmation fight would be ugly,
    details he might not want made public would become public, and
    he'd not be confirmed.


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  • From IB Joe@1:342/201 to Mike Powell on Sat Nov 23 10:10:00 2024
    On 22 Nov 2024, Mike Powell said the following...


    Now with Matt gone maybe he can. Apparently Matt visited the Senate earlier this week and realized the confirmation fight would be ugly, details he might not want made public would become public, and
    he'd not be confirmed.


    Pam Bondi nominated ... and MSNBC freaking out because she knows what to do on day 1.

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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to IB Joe on Sun Nov 24 12:57:13 2024
    IB Joe wrote to Mike Powell <=-

    Pam Bondi nominated ... and MSNBC freaking out because she knows what
    to do on day 1.

    Just saw a video today where they layed out the facts when Facebook colluded with Fauci to censor speech. That means it's a First Amendment violation for Fauci and negates Section 230 protection for Facebook.


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  • From IB Joe@1:342/201 to Ron L. on Mon Nov 25 08:35:38 2024
    On 24 Nov 2024, Ron L. said the following...


    Just saw a video today where they layed out the facts when Facebook colluded with Fauci to censor speech. That means it's a First Amendment violation for Fauci and negates Section 230 protection for Facebook.


    And congress should abolish Section 230 and Pam should investigate Facebook.

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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to IB Joe on Tue Nov 26 07:20:46 2024
    IB Joe wrote to Dr. What <=-

    And congress should abolish Section 230 and Pam should investigate Facebook.

    Section 230 is needed, I believe.

    If they are protected under Section 230, then they are a platform and cannot be held responsible for the content the others produce because they are "unable" to police such a large amount of content.

    However, once they prove that they **can** police their content, then the protections under Section 230 are gone.

    The problem has always been that places like Facebook want it both ways: They want the protections under Section 230 so they don't get sued by their users for other user's bad posts, and they want to censor content that they don't like (i.e. policing their content). They can't have it both ways, but the Biden Regime allowed it.

    Pam should
    1. Investigate and punish those gov't officals pushing Facebook to censor - that is a clear violation of the First Amendment.
    2. Tell Facebook that the rules have changed and they have a choice: Be a platform or be a publisher. They need to make a choice and stick to it.


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  • From IB Joe@1:342/201 to Ron L. on Tue Nov 26 15:46:26 2024
    On 26 Nov 2024, Ron L. said the following...


    Pam should
    1. Investigate and punish those gov't officals pushing Facebook to
    censor - that is a clear violation of the First Amendment.
    2. Tell Facebook that the rules have changed and they have a choice: Be a platform or be a publisher. They need to make a choice and stick to it.


    I understand the concept of section 203... You can't sue the paper and ink companies for what the news paper writes...

    Mark Zuckerberg and his gente knew what they were doing when they did what they did. Shadow banning and the like.

    Mark is not a victim.

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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to IB Joe on Wed Nov 27 07:15:52 2024
    IB Joe wrote to Dr. What <=-

    Mark Zuckerberg and his gente knew what they were doing when they did
    what they did. Shadow banning and the like.

    Mark is not a victim.

    Oh, certainly not. A dupe, maybe, but he knew what he was getting into.

    And especially today, we have to ask "what dirt does someone have on him?"


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  • From IB Joe@1:342/201 to Ron L. on Wed Nov 27 09:14:14 2024
    On 27 Nov 2024, Ron L. said the following...

    Mark is not a victim.

    Oh, certainly not. A dupe, maybe, but he knew what he was getting into.

    And especially today, we have to ask "what dirt does someone have on
    him?"


    There must be some sort of caveat added to their protection... That they can't act knowingly to subvert free speech.

    I use to watch a channel called Doug In Exile and YouTube took his channel down. No warning... there is was gone. He was one of those fact based channels that sometimes didn't show the Democrats in a positive light.

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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to IB Joe on Thu Nov 28 09:18:17 2024
    IB Joe wrote to Dr. What <=-

    There must be some sort of caveat added to their protection... That
    they can't act knowingly to subvert free speech.

    But places like Facebook can legally do that.

    Here's what I see happened:
    + Legally, Facebook **can** limit speech on its platform. Since it's not a gov't agency there's no First Amendment issue.
    + But we now know that Facebook took orders from the gov't - now we are in First Amendment territory - but not for Facebook, but rather the gov't officials who gave the orders.
    + But Facebook is now moderating its content to such an extent that it should lose it's Section 230 protection, which opens it up to many, many lawsuits.

    All this is happening behind a facade of "But Facebook is a private company and they can do what they want." That's a very simplistic statement. Facebook **can** do what they want on their platform. But there are consequences for that.

    I think these social media sites knew (at least some higher ups knew) that what they were doing was going to cause problems. But the Elitists in power told them that they wouldn't be held accoutable for the consequences. But now the Elitists are no longer in power.

    I use to watch a channel called Doug In Exile and YouTube took his
    channel down. No warning... there is was gone. He was one of those
    fact based channels that sometimes didn't show the Democrats in a
    positive light.

    Yup. Just replace "Facebook" above with "YouTube". All the social media sites are going to have big problems next year.


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  • From IB Joe@1:342/201 to Ron L. on Fri Nov 29 07:31:50 2024
    On 28 Nov 2024, Ron L. said the following...


    Yup. Just replace "Facebook" above with "YouTube". All the social
    media sites are going to have big problems next year.


    You have made a great argument for Section 230... I am aware of the fact private companies can do what they want. I just feel that there must be some kind of litmus test to have the shield of Section 230.

    Days ago I gave a story where someone I followed on YouTube lost his channel, no warning... He was a popular conservative Christian that, in my opinion, wasn't radical but on point... Maybe had more views that CNN or MSNBC... Just canceled no warning at all.

    I think there should be recourse and if there is any Government intervention it should side with "The People" and they should follow the rules of Section 230 to maintain their status.

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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to IB Joe on Sat Nov 30 08:15:56 2024
    IB Joe wrote to Dr. What <=-

    You have made a great argument for Section 230... I am aware of the
    fact private companies can do what they want. I just feel that there
    must be some kind of litmus test to have the shield of Section 230.

    There is. But it's not followed: If you exert editorial control over the content, you are a publisher and not protected under Section 230.

    I think there should be recourse and if there is any Government intervention it should side with "The People" and they should follow
    the rules of Section 230 to maintain their status.

    Yes, there should. Perhaps that's why Zuck was meeting with Trump.

    Places like YouTube and Facebook should have their protection stripped because they exerted editorial control, which leaves them open to many, many, many lawsuits.


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  • From IB Joe@1:342/201 to Ron L. on Sat Nov 30 11:27:22 2024
    On 30 Nov 2024, Ron L. said the following...

    Places like YouTube and Facebook should have their protection stripped because they exerted editorial control, which leaves them open to many, many, many lawsuits.


    Maybe Daddy Trump will fix this.

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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to IB Joe on Sun Dec 1 09:26:11 2024
    IB Joe wrote to Dr. What <=-

    Places like YouTube and Facebook should have their protection stripped because they exerted editorial control, which leaves them open to many, many, many lawsuits.

    Maybe Daddy Trump will fix this.

    That's what I'm hoping. I think Trump will make them a deal:
    Promise to be the platform you claim you are, reinstate all censored accounts, and I'll forgive your sins. But if you are caught censoring again, I'll strip your protections.


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  • From IB Joe@1:342/201 to Ron L. on Sun Dec 1 11:29:08 2024
    On 01 Dec 2024, Ron L. said the following...


    That's what I'm hoping. I think Trump will make them a deal:
    Promise to be the platform you claim you are, reinstate all censored accounts, and I'll forgive your sins. But if you are caught censoring again, I'll strip your protections.


    We need a guy like the No Soup For You Guy in Seinfeld in the Section 230 business... No Sectgion-230 for you!!!

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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to IB Joe on Mon Dec 2 07:15:22 2024
    IB Joe wrote to Dr. What <=-

    We need a guy like the No Soup For You Guy in Seinfeld in the Section
    230 business... No Sectgion-230 for you!!!

    We need judges that will follow the law.

    "You exercised editorial control over the content. You are now a publisher and no Section 230 protection for you."


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  • From IB Joe@1:342/201 to Ron L. on Mon Dec 2 08:54:38 2024
    On 02 Dec 2024, Ron L. said the following...

    We need judges that will follow the law.

    "You exercised editorial control over the content. You are now a publisher and no Section 230 protection for you."


    I'm okay with that.

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