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    From Anton Shepelev@2:221/6 to Alexander Koryagin on Mon Jun 10 00:07:36 2024
    Alexander Koryagin:

    "He told me an anecdote, and I didn't laugh."

    An anecdote is a personal and unverified story. The word you want is `joke'.

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  • From Alexander Koryagin@2:221/6 to Anton Shepelev on Fri Jun 14 13:59:16 2024

    Hi, Anton Shepelev!
    I read your message from 09.06.2024 21:07

    "He told me an anecdote, and I didn't laugh."

    An anecdote is a personal and unverified story. The word you
    want is `joke'.

    Jokes IMHO are very short. Long jokes are bad joke;
    -----Beginning of the citation-----
    Why do French people eat snails?

    They don't like fast food.
    ----- The end of the citation -----


    Anecdotes are rather short humorous stories

    -----Beginning of the citation-----
    A Collection of Intermediate Anecdotes in American English

    Jim walked into a store which had a sign outside: "Second-hand clothes bought and sold." He was carrying an old pair of pants and asked the owner of the store, "How much will you give me for these?" The man looked at them and then said rudely, "Two dollars."

    "What!" said Jim." I had guessed they were worth at least five."

    "No," said the man, "they aren't worth a penny more than two dollars."

    "Are you sure?" asked Jim.

    "Very sure," said the man.

    "Well," said Jim, taking two dollars out of his pocket, "here's your money.
    These pants were hanging outside your store with a price tag that said $6.50, but I thought that was too much money, so I wanted to make sure how much they were really worth."

    Then he walked out of the store with the pair of pants and disappeared before the surprised store owner could think of anything to say.


    ***


    Mrs.
    Green was the manager of a large company, and she frequently had to have meetings with other business people in a room in her building.
    She did not smoke at all, but many of the other people at the meetings did, so she often found the air during the meetings terrible.
    One day, after an hour, her throat and eyes were sore and she was coughing a lot, so she called a big air-conditioning company and asked them to work out how much it would cost to keep the air of the meeting room in her building really clean.

    After a few days the air-conditioning company sent in two estimates for Mrs.
    Green to choose from.
    One estimate was for $5,000 to put in new air-conditioning, and the other was for $5.00 for a sign which said, NO SMOKING.


    ***


    A lot of boys and girls in Western countries are wearing the same kinds of clothes, and many of them have long hair, so it is often difficult to tell whether they are boys or girls.

    One day, an old gentleman went for a walk in a park in Washington, and when he was tired he sat down on a bench.
    A young person was standing on the other side of the pond.

    "My goodness!" the old man said to the person who was sitting next to him on the bench.
    "Do you see that person with the loose pants and long hair?
    Is it a boy or a girl?"

    "A girl," said his neighbor.
    "She's my daughter."

    "Oh!" the old gentleman said quickly.
    "Please forgive me, I didn't know that you were her mother."

    "I'm not," said the other person, "I'm her father."


    ***


    A young boy was playing with a ball in the street.
    He kicked it too hard, and it broke the window of a house and fell inside.
    A lady came to the window with the ball and shouted at the young boy, so he ran away, but he still wanted his ball back.
    A few minutes later he returned and knocked at the door of the house, and when the lady answered it, he said, "My father's going to come and fix your window very soon."

    After a few more minutes a man came to the door with tools in his hand, so the lady let the boy take his ball away.

    When the man finished fixing the window, he said to the lady, "That will cost you exactly ten dollars."

    "But aren't you the father of that young boy?" the woman asked, looking surprised.
    "No," he answered, equally surprised.
    "Aren't you his mother?"


    ***


    Johnny was nine years old, and he was a very bad boy, but his mother always hoped that he would behave better. Then one day, after he had come home from school, Johnny's teacher called his mother on the phone and said, "Did you know, Mrs. Perkins, that Johnny saved another boy when he fell into the river while we were out for a walk this morning?"

    Mrs. Perkins was very happy when she heard this.
    She thought, "Johnny's becoming a good boy." Then she turned to him and said, "That was your teacher.
    Why didn't you tell me you had been such a brave boy and saved one of your friends when he fell into the river this morning?"

    But Johnny did not look very happy when he heard this.
    His face became very red, and he said, "Well, I really had to pull him out, because I pushed him in."


    ***


    The college had a very good football team, and its best player was a student who always had trouble in school.
    Then one year the dean of the college said that the player would have to leave because he had cheated on an exam.
    The football coach immediately went to the dean to try to persuade him to let the student stay in school.
    The dean showed him two answer papers.
    "This one is Susan's paper.
    She's the best student in the class," he said.
    "And this one's your football player's.
    They're exactly the same.
    The football player sat at the next desk, and just copied from her."

    "But maybe she copied from him," the coach said.

    You can't prove it was the other way."

    "Look at this," the dean said." Susan didn't know the answer to this question, so she wrote, 'I don't know.' And your football player wrote, 'Neither do I.'"


    ***


    Mr. Harris had never married, and he lived in a small house by himself.
    He was always very careful about what he ate and drank, and he never went out when the weather was cold.
    He was always afraid that he was getting some terrible disease, so he often went to see his doctor, and the doctor was getting very tired of his patient's imagined illnesses, because he had more important work to do.

    Then one day Mr. Harris hurried into the doctor's office and told him he was sure he had a certain terrible disease which he had read about in the newspaper.
    He showed the doctor the article.
    The doctor read it carefully and then said, "But, Mr. Harris, people don't know when they have this disease! There are no symptoms, and they feel very good."

    "Oh, my goodness!" said Mr.
    Harris.
    "I thought so.
    That's just how I feel!"
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    PS: although there are short anecdotes:
    -----Beginning of the citation-----
    One man approached to his friend who sat on a railways.
    "Move a bit," he said, sitting next to him.
    ----- The end of the citation -----
    :)

    Bye, Anton!
    Alexander Koryagin
    english_tutor 2024

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  • From Anton Shepelev@2:221/6 to Alexander Koryagin on Wed Jun 19 15:28:52 2024
    Alexander Koryagin:

    Jokes IMHO are very short. Long jokes are bad joke;

    Yeah, right.

    Anecdotes are rather short humorous stories

    In my understanding, an anecdote is a short personal
    unverified short story about event that are acrtually
    supposed to have happened. An anecdote need not be funny:
    1. pl. Unpublished narratives. --Burke.
    [1913 Webster]

    2. A particular or detached incident or fact of an
    interesting nature; a biographical incident or fragment; a
    single passage of private life.
    [1913 Webster] Anecdotic

    Thanks for the collection of jokes. Did you put them into
    English yourself?

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  • From Gleb Hlebov@2:5023/24.4222 to Alexander Koryagin on Thu Jun 20 12:59:22 2024
    Hi Alexander,

    Fri 14 Jun 2024 at 13:59, you wrote to Anton Shepelev:

    "He told me an anecdote, and I didn't laugh."
    An anecdote is a personal and unverified story. The word you
    want is `joke'.
    Jokes IMHO are very short. Long jokes are bad joke;
    -----Beginning of the citation-----
    Why do French people eat snails?
    They don't like fast food.
    ----- The end of the citation -----
    Anecdotes are rather short humorous stories

    Can you tell if it's a joke or anecdote? ;-)
    (Excuse my possibly lame "adaptation")

    << E. Kopelyan's voiceover:

    "Stierlitz gave it a thought.
    It was good.
    So he gave it a second thought". >>


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  • From Alexander Koryagin@2:221/6 to Gleb Hlebov on Fri Jun 21 16:37:56 2024

    Hi, Gleb Hlebov!
    I read your message from 20.06.2024 08:59


    "He told me an anecdote, and I didn't laugh."
    An anecdote is a personal and unverified story. The
    word you want is `joke'.
    Jokes IMHO are very short. Long jokes are bad joke;
    -----Beginning of the citation-----
    Why do French people eat snails?
    They don't like fast food.
    ----- The end of the citation -----
    Anecdotes are rather short humorous stories

    Can you tell if it's a joke or anecdote? ;-)
    (Excuse my possibly lame "adaptation")

    ??<< E. Kopelyan's voiceover:

    "Stierlitz gave it a thought.
    It was good.
    So he gave it a second thought". >>

    An English joke - "Englishmen are the most coward people. If they ask something they always say 'I am afraid'". ;-)

    Bye, Gleb!
    Alexander Koryagin
    english_tutor 2024

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  • From Alexander Koryagin@2:221/6 to Anton Shepelev on Fri Jun 21 16:39:08 2024

    Hi, Anton Shepelev!
    I read your message from 19.06.2024 12:28


    Thanks for the collection of jokes. Did you put them into
    English yourself?

    Do you think those stories were composed in Russia? ;-)


    Bye, Anton!
    Alexander Koryagin
    english_tutor 2024

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  • From Ardith Hinton@1:153/716 to Alexander Koryagin on Tue Jul 2 22:46:21 2024
    Hi, Alexander! Recently you wrote in a message to Anton Shepelev:

    -----Beginning of the citation-----
    Why do French people eat snails?
    They don't like fast food.
    ----- The end of the citation -----

    This is an example of what I would call a "riddle", i.e. a puzzling or misleading question which when used as a joke often involves a play on words.

    Another example:
    Q. What do you call an angry carrot?
    A. A steamed vegetable.


    A Collection of Intermediate Anecdotes in American English

    Hmm. While my American dictionaries seem to agree that an anecdote is a story which other people may find entertaining &/or amusing, many of them also take into account that (as Anton said, and as a Canadian I agree) that as far as we're concerned such stories are typically autobiographical or at least reported by a person who if not on the scene at the time has done their homework.... :-)


    Jim walked into a store which had a sign outside:

    Caution: There are many folks named or nicknamed "Jim" Over Here, and the same applies to other names you mentioned. Unless your informant also tells you various names may have been changed to protect other people's privacy & they are doing doctoral-level sociological research you can't be sure the incident in question actually occurred. The inclusion of a name may add verisimilitude to a tale about events which didn't necessarily occur in real life.


    "Look at this," the dean said." Susan didn't know the answer to
    this question, so she wrote, 'I don't know.' And your football
    player wrote, 'Neither do I.'"

    As a retired schoolteacher I can certainly relate to that one, and I'm cheering for the dean. But I don't imagine this story is entirely true.... :-)


    Then one day Mr. Harris hurried into the doctor's office

    Reminds me of the time when our GP, who was still wet behind the ears, said "How are you?" to which I replied "I was hoping you could tell me that." I enjoyed making him think, and after awhile he began recommending to me as if I'd never heard of it what I'd learned elsewhere & reported to him... [chuckle].


    An anecdote is a personal and unverified story.

    Like the one above. I could supply names & approximate dates, but the iimportant thing is that Dallas & I later found another GP who related better to our preferred learning styles, and both of us are content with his as well. :-)


    Anecdotes are rather short humorous stories

    So are stories beginning with "a blonde, a brunette, and a redhead are stranded in a lifeboat" or "a goldfish walks into a bar". In such cases we know the story is probably fictitious even if there's a grain of truth in it.... :-)


    Jim walked into a store which had a sign outside: "Second-hand
    clothes bought and sold." He was carrying an old pair of pants
    and asked the owner of the store, "How much will you give me
    for these?" The man looked at them and then said rudely, "Two
    dollars." "What!" said Jim." I had guessed they were worth at
    least five."

    A lot depends on whether one is buying or selling, doesn't it? I know (and you probably do too) the capitalistic advice to "buy low & sell high". :-)




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  • From Alexander Koryagin@2:221/6 to Ardith Hinton on Mon Jul 8 13:26:52 2024

    Hi, Ardith Hinton!
    I read your message from 03.07.2024 01:46


    -----Beginning of the citation-----
    Why do French people eat snails?
    They don't like fast food.
    ----- The end of the citation -----

    This is an example of what I would call a "riddle", i.e. a puzzling
    or misleading question which when used as a joke often involves a
    play on words.

    Another example: Q. What do you call an angry carrot? A. A steamed vegetable.

    A Collection of Intermediate Anecdotes in American English

    Hmm. While my American dictionaries seem to agree that an anecdote
    is a story which other people may find entertaining &/or amusing,
    many of them also take into account that (as Anton said, and as a
    Canadian I agree) that as far as we're concerned such stories are typically autobiographical or at least reported by a person who if
    not on the scene at the time has done their homework.... :-)

    So, what is your variant? Jokes?

    BTW Webster is not very categorical on the issue:
    -----Beginning of the citation-----
    Anecdote: a usually short narrative of an interesting, amusing, or biographical incident
    ----- The end of the citation -----


    Bye, Ardith!
    Alexander Koryagin
    english_tutor 2024

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  • From Anton Shepelev@2:221/6 to Alexander Koryagin on Fri Aug 23 18:20:00 2024
    Alexander Koryagin:

    An English joke -- "Englishmen are the most coward
    people. If they ask something they always say 'I am
    afraid'". ;-)

    `cowardly'.

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  • From Alexander Koryagin@2:221/6 to Anton Shepelev on Sat Aug 24 17:34:48 2024

    Hi, Anton Shepelev!
    I read your message from 23.08.2024 15:20

    An English joke -- "Englishmen are the most coward
    people. If they ask something they always say 'I am
    afraid'". ;-)

    `cowardly'.

    You mean that there is no adjective "coward"?

    Here for instance,
    https://www.dictionary.com/browse/coward

    PS: And in general, it is an English feature that almost every word can perform every part of speech.

    Bye, Anton!
    Alexander Koryagin
    english_tutor 2024

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  • From Dallas Hinton@1:153/7715 to Alexander Koryagin on Sat Aug 24 12:44:23 2024
    Hi, Alexander -- on Aug 24 2024 at 17:34, you wrote:


    You mean that there is no adjective "coward"?

    Here for instance,
    https://www.dictionary.com/browse/coward

    PS: And in general, it is an English feature that almost every word
    can perform every part of speech.

    I've never seen the word used as an adjective. I suspect it's an archaic usage. The Cambridge dictionary doesn't define it as an adjective (listing only "cowardly"), same for Merriam-Webster, Collins, and the Britannica Dictionary. The Oxford dictionary shows it used an adjective but last used in 1818!


    Cheers... Dallas

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  • From Alexander Koryagin@2:221/6 to Dallas Hinton on Mon Aug 26 09:11:42 2024

    Hi, Dallas Hinton!
    I read your message from 24.08.2024 15:44

    You mean that there is no adjective "coward"?

    Here for instance,
    https://www.dictionary.com/browse/coward

    PS: And in general, it is an English feature that almost every
    word can perform every part of speech.

    I've never seen the word used as an adjective. I suspect it's an
    archaic usage. The Cambridge dictionary doesn't define it as an
    adjective (listing only "cowardly"), same for Merriam-Webster,
    Collins, and the Britannica Dictionary. The Oxford dictionary shows
    it used an adjective but last used in 1818!

    Coward is a noun. Amen! ;-) https://thecontentauthority.com/blog/coward-vs-cowardly

    Bye, Dallas!
    Alexander Koryagin
    english_tutor 2024

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  • From Anton Shepelev@2:221/6 to Dallas Hinton on Fri Aug 30 11:51:12 2024
    Dallas Hinton about `coward':

    I've never seen the word used as an adjective. I suspect
    it's an archaic usage. The Cambridge dictionary doesn't
    define it as an adjective (listing only "cowardly"),
    same for Merriam-Webster, Collins, and the Britannica
    Dictionary. The Oxford dictionary shows it used an
    adjective but last used in 1818!

    1913 Webster lists `coward' as an adjective:

    <http://dict.org/bin/Dict?Form=Dict2&Database=gcide&Query=coward>

    So I was too blunt.

    I think `coward' /can/ be an adjective by virtue of the
    ability of nouns in English to become adjectives in certain
    cirsumstances, such as:

    systems (vs. systematic) programming
    fall guy
    finger man
    glass (not glassy) jar.

    That said, `coward' is no more an ajective than `widow' in
    the famous tautology `widow woman'.

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  • From Gleb Hlebov@2:5030/1081.143 to Anton Shepelev on Sat Aug 31 13:14:52 2024
    Hi Anton,

    Fri 30 Aug 2024, 11:51, you -> Dallas Hinton:

    That said, `coward' is no more an ajective than `widow' in
    the famous tautology `widow woman'.

    I've been wondering why do you always put a grave accent sign in place of the apostrophy (which is in turn supposed to signify a single quotation mark) -- any technical reasons to that? Some fonts (such as mine) display those characters as distinctly different --

    http://pics.rsh.ru/img/40g98jf43_hx8dij7l.png


    ... End of message, Anton. Confused? Me too! :-)
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  • From Anton Shepelev@2:221/6 to Gleb Hlebov on Sat Aug 31 20:58:54 2024
    Gleb Hlebov to Anton Shepelev:

    That said, `coward' is no more an ajective than `widow'
    in the famous tautology `widow woman'.

    I've been wondering why do you always put a grave accent
    sign in place of the apostrophy (which is in turn
    supposed to signify a single quotation mark) -- any
    technical reasons to that?


    Yes, it is the standard ASCII emulation of the opening
    single qutation mark.

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  • From Ardith Hinton@1:153/716 to Anton Shepelev on Thu Sep 26 22:00:53 2024
    Hi, Anton! Recently you wrote in a message to Dallas Hinton:

    I've never seen the word used as an adjective. I suspect
    it's an archaic usage. The Cambridge dictionary doesn't
    define it as an adjective (listing only "cowardly"),
    same for Merriam-Webster, Collins, and the Britannica
    Dictionary. The Oxford dictionary shows it used an
    adjective but last used in 1818!

    1913 Webster lists `coward' as an adjective:

    <http://dict.org/bin/Dict?Form=Dict2&Database=gcide&Query=coward>


    My 1983 GAGE CANADIAN DICTIONARY also lists it as an adjective, but in my experience this usage was rare at the time of publication.... :-)



    I think `coward' /can/ be an adjective by virtue of the
    ability of nouns in English to become adjectives in certain
    cirsumstances, such as:

    systems (vs. systematic) programming
    fall guy
    finger man
    glass (not glassy) jar.


    or

    gravel road
    pine cone
    sob sister
    spider vein

    ... AKA noun adjectives or attributive nouns. :-)



    that said, `coward' is no more an ajective than `widow' in
    the famous tautology `widow woman'.

    I ran across "widow woman" as an example of tautology as well. But in this case "woman" is redundant because a widow is by definition female, and if a male finds himself in a similar position he is a widower where I come from. :-)




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