• How do you use unix?

    From Amessyroom@VERT/TL-QWK to All on Sat Jun 29 16:32:14 2024
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    • How do you use unix?
    • 1) System administrator
    • 2) Developer
    • 3) User
    • 4) Scientist
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  • From Gandolf@VERT to Amessyroom on Mon Sep 2 22:11:35 2024
    On 6/29/24 2:32 PM, Amessyroom wrote:
    1: System administrator
    2: Developer
    3: User
    4: Scientist

    Professionally, I'm a UNIX / Linux Sr. SysAdmin.
    HPUX 11.23-11.31, AIX 7.3, Solaris 8-10, and RHEL 4-<current>.

    Post Script:
    I've been doing this a long time, and I'm still learning stuff on a
    daily basis.
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  • From Amessyroom@VERT/TL-QWK to Gandolf on Tue Sep 3 09:49:58 2024
    Re: Re: How do you use unix?
    By: Gandolf to Amessyroom on Mon Sep 02 2024 10:11 pm

    On 6/29/24 2:32 PM, Amessyroom wrote:
    1: System administrator
    2: Developer
    3: User
    4: Scientist

    Professionally, I'm a UNIX / Linux Sr. SysAdmin. HPUX 11.23-11.31, AIX 7.3, Solaris 8-10, and RHEL 4-<current>.

    Post Script:
    I've been doing this a long time, and I'm still learning stuff on a daily basis.
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    Thanks for sharing. Yeah, I think I'm going to be the last one standing at work. So many people retiring around me, but I still have at least 10 years if I want full retirement. So hope I can make it.

    You are correct regarding, learning stuff on a daily basis.

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  • From KnightMare@VERT/TELEGRAP to Gandolf on Tue Sep 3 22:40:22 2024
    Re: Re: How do you use unix?
    By: Gandolf to Amessyroom on Mon Sep 02 2024 10:11 pm

    I've been doing this a long time, and I'm still learning stuff on a daily basis.

    I started my IT carrer since HS. (1980)

    Cut my teeth on our timesharing system using a 300baud dialup connection from Kearny NJ to Perth Amboy NJ.

    On Tue and Wed a group of us (5) went to the VoTech in Jersey City NJ and we spent 4 hours learning RPG II on punched cards and 8 1/2 inch floppies.

    On Tuesday, we prgrammed our cards and they were stored in a box.
    On Thursday, we would have our print outs waiting for us, hoping the program didn't bomb and we had to spend the time manually debugging errors with each other.

    I still have one of the 5 disc CDI discpacks given to me as a momento and a floppy with nothing on the label save for the name of my IBM AS/400 name : "AMPLIBR". We all named our libraries (LIBR) prefixed with our initials.

    Ahhhhh...memories...

    I don't miss the X-LOCKED error messages...

    ... was it an AS/400 or a 3270? Hmmmmmmmm...



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  • From Amessyroom@VERT/TL-QWK to KnightMare on Wed Sep 4 07:48:38 2024
    Re: Re: How do you use unix?
    By: KnightMare to Gandolf on Tue Sep 03 2024 10:40 pm

    Re: Re: How do you use unix?
    By: Gandolf to Amessyroom on Mon Sep 02 2024 10:11 pm

    I've been doing this a long time, and I'm still learning stuff on a daily
    basis.

    I started my IT carrer since HS. (1980)

    Cut my teeth on our timesharing system using a 300baud dialup connection from Kearny NJ to Perth Amboy NJ.

    On Tue and Wed a group of us (5) went to the VoTech in Jersey City NJ and we spent 4 hours learning RPG II on punched cards and 8 1/2 inch floppies.

    On Tuesday, we prgrammed our cards and they were stored in a box. On Thursday, we would have our print outs waiting for us, hoping the program didn't bomb and we had to spend the time manually debugging errors with each other.

    I still have one of the 5 disc CDI discpacks given to me as a momento and a floppy with nothing on the label save for the name of my IBM AS/400 name : "AMPLIBR". We all named our libraries (LIBR) prefixed with our initials.
    Wild. I never did punch cards. But in high school we had to enter our code RPG II/COBOL onto 8-inch disks , then the disks were loaded into our IBM System 34 or something similar. And the jobs were ran in batch as you expressed. Wow I remember the waiting, like you said to see if it was going to run or not.

    Now days you just you can compile/interpret as many times as you need/want; not as much time is spent or concern given on whether the code is going to run :-)

    Fortunately, we had some TRS-80 Model II/16 systems also that we did BASIC on. So it wasn't all batch.

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  • From KnightMare@VERT/TELEGRAP to Amessyroom on Sat Sep 7 00:58:18 2024
    Re: Re: How do you use unix?
    By: Amessyroom to KnightMare on Wed Sep 04 2024 07:48 am

    Wild. I never did punch cards. But in high school we had to enter our code RPG II/COBOL onto 8-inch disks , then the disks were loaded into our IBM System 34 or something similar. And the jobs were ran in batch as you expressed. Wow I remember the waiting, like you said to see if it was going to run or not.

    Kinda miss those days. That's when there was great care in writing and debugging, as the wait time was mostly unbearble.

    Good times :)

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  • From Rixter@VERT/RICKSBBS to KnightMare on Wed Sep 18 03:32:46 2024
    I worked at university data center in the 80s and we used the 80 punch cards for student data storage. It was loud and slow.

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Rixter on Wed Sep 18 06:27:00 2024
    Rixter wrote to KnightMare <=-

    I worked at university data center in the 80s and we used the 80 punch cards for student data storage. It was loud and slow.

    I started off with Commodore CBM 4032s (similar to a PET) with a
    cassette drive in high school, but our teacher brought in an old punch
    card data processing system for us all to play with, enter a job on
    punch cards and see it run.

    We wondered why, he asked us to trust him. Now, I get to say, "When I
    started out on Punched Cards..." :)

    Smart man, he was.



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  • From Rixter@VERT/RICKSBBS to poindexter FORTRAN on Wed Sep 18 11:52:09 2024
    I started off with Commodore CBM 4032s (similar to a PET) with a
    cassette drive in high school, but our teacher brought in an old punch
    card data processing system for us all to play with, enter a job on
    punch cards and see it run.

    We wondered why, he asked us to trust him. Now, I get to say, "When I
    started out on Punched Cards..." :)

    Smart man, he was.

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  • From Mortar@VERT/EOTLBBS to poindexter FORTRAN on Wed Sep 18 20:36:48 2024
    Re: Re: How do you use unix?
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Rixter on Wed Sep 18 2024 06:27:00

    ...CBM 4032s (similar to a PET)...

    4032s /were/ PETs. The name change was a marketing move to appeal to the business market, same strategy Tandy used for their TRS-80 Model III onward.

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Mortar on Thu Sep 19 06:32:00 2024
    Mortar wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    ...CBM 4032s (similar to a PET)...

    4032s /were/ PETs. The name change was a marketing move to appeal to
    the business market, same strategy Tandy used for their TRS-80 Model
    III onward.

    True. I always thought of the PET as the 8k, small keyboard on the
    right, tape drive on the left models but, when googling it, see some
    CBMs labeled as PETs.



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  • From KnightMare@VERT/TELEGRAP to Rixter on Sat Sep 21 01:05:54 2024
    Re: Re: How do you use unix?
    By: Rixter to KnightMare on Wed Sep 18 2024 03:32 am

    I worked at university data center in the 80s and we used the 80 punch cards for student data storage. It was loud and slow.

    Painfully slow, at that!

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Rixter on Mon Dec 16 20:23:03 2024
    Re: Re: How do you use unix?
    By: Rixter to KnightMare on Wed Sep 18 2024 03:32 am

    I worked at university data center in the 80s and we used the 80 punch cards for student data storage. It was loud and slow.

    In my high school computer class, we took a break from Commodore CBM systems to work on a WANG computer feeding batch jobs on punch cards. When we asked why we had to do it, my teacher said "Trust me, you'll understand some day".

    Now, I get to say "WHY YOU KIDS HAVE IT SO EASY - WHEN I STARTED OUT WE HAD TO FEED BATCHES OF CARDS INTO THE COMPUTER TO SEE YOUR PROGRAM OUTPUT!"
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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to poindexter FORTRAN on Tue Dec 17 09:53:36 2024
    Re: Re: How do you use unix?
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Rixter on Mon Dec 16 2024 08:23 pm

    In my high school computer class, we took a break from Commodore CBM systems to work on a WANG computer feeding batch jobs on punch cards. When we asked why we had to do it, my teacher said "Trust me, you'll understand some day".

    When I was in school, they had typing classes in jr. high and high school, and there was also a programming class in high school as an elective. I took the typing class in 8th grade, and in 9th grade, I took the programming class and was hoping it would be C or C++, but they were teaching BASIC. They were still using a book from the late 70s, and this was the mid-90s when I was taking the class..

    Nightfox

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Nightfox on Tue Dec 17 13:00:40 2024
    Re: Re: How do you use unix?
    By: Nightfox to poindexter FORTRAN on Tue Dec 17 2024 09:53 am


    When I was in school, they had typing classes in jr. high and high school, and there was also a programming class in high school as an elective. I too

    Looking back, the two classes I wish I took were typing and auto shop.

    I'm a fast typist, but I'd be a helluva lot faster if I typed properly. I learned by hunt-n-peck, and just got better at it.

    Auto shop? That was for the kids who weren't going to college!

    They also got free time with floor jacks, lifts, engine hoists, pneumatic wrenches, oil drains, every wrench you could ever need, and specialty tools you could never afford to use once.

    The kids in shop all had killer cars for a fraction of the cost of what it cost the other kids.
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  • From Digital Man@VERT to poindexter FORTRAN on Tue Dec 17 13:45:09 2024
    Re: Re: How do you use unix?
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Nightfox on Tue Dec 17 2024 01:00 pm

    Looking back, the two classes I wish I took were typing and auto shop.

    I still benefit from taking typing in HS. That said, I'm sure you can learn using any of the online typing tutors today. The *main* thing is: don't look at the keyboard, no matter what. This'll slow you down at first, but in the end, you'll be a much faster typist, even with the inevitable mistakes.
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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to poindexter FORTRAN on Tue Dec 17 17:30:00 2024
    Re: Re: How do you use unix?
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Nightfox on Tue Dec 17 2024 01:00 pm

    Looking back, the two classes I wish I took were typing and auto shop.

    I don't remember auto shop being offered at my high school. I think it would have been useful, though I didn't get my driver's license or a car until I was 21.

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Digital Man on Tue Dec 17 17:31:55 2024
    Re: Re: How do you use unix?
    By: Digital Man to poindexter FORTRAN on Tue Dec 17 2024 01:45 pm

    I still benefit from taking typing in HS. That said, I'm sure you can learn using any of the online typing tutors today. The *main* thing is: don't look at the keyboard, no matter what. This'll slow you down at first, but in the end, you'll be a much faster typist, even with the inevitable mistakes.

    Yeah, I still benefit from taking typing. I was surprised to learn not too long ago that typing class typically isn't offered anymore these days.

    Nightfox

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  • From Neko@VERT/MIYANET to poindexter FORTRAN on Wed Dec 18 13:38:19 2024
    Re: Re: How do you use unix?
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Rixter on Mon Dec 16 2024 20:23:03

    In my high school computer class, we took a break from Commodore CBM systems to work on a WANG computer feeding batch jobs
    on punch cards. When we asked why we had to do it, my teacher said "Trust me, you'll understand some day".

    Now, I get to say "WHY YOU KIDS HAVE IT SO EASY - WHEN I STARTED OUT WE HAD TO FEED BATCHES OF CARDS INTO THE COMPUTER TO
    SEE YOUR PROGRAM OUTPUT!"

    I've heard that some universities still have "coding on paper" courses, classes and exams. I don't think it has a purpose other than filtering out students. I was lucky enough to see a real FORTRAN punch card (as a door note) and to type a little on VT100 hardware terminal.

    However, I've heard a story from one of IT teachers about writing code on paper so it could be passed to an operator, who typed it into a machine and gave back the printed (literally) output. It was back when computers were uncommon at home and when there was no IBM PC yet. At least not here.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Digital Man on Thu Dec 19 05:45:13 2024
    Re: Re: How do you use unix?
    By: Digital Man to poindexter FORTRAN on Tue Dec 17 2024 01:45 pm

    Re: Re: How do you use unix?
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Nightfox on Tue Dec 17 2024 01:00 pm

    Looking back, the two classes I wish I took were typing and auto shop.

    I still benefit from taking typing in HS. That said, I'm sure you can

    learn
    using any of the online typing tutors today. The *main* thing is: don't look at the keyboard, no matter what. This'll slow you down at first, but in the end, you'll be a much faster typist, even with the inevitable mistakes.

    I took typing in the 7th or 8th grade. It's probably one of the few things I can say i really benefitted from in school. for HS I only went for 2 years and I was in a program where I took "technical college" courses for hs credit. Well i guess I benefitted from that because I had some great history teachers over there.

    Anyways, I learned on electric typewriters. It was a great way to get a rhythm. To pass the class you had to go 1 on one with the teacher and beat her which
    was pretty fun.

    I was about 120wpm. Now, I'm nowhere near that but I can ramp it up; my accuracy is what has suffered.

    I tried to teach my son how to type and also got him those mavis beacon program. He never liked it and he's now a hunt and peck typist.
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  • From Aaron Goldblatt@VERT/RNBWPNT to MRO on Thu Dec 19 13:33:29 2024
    I took typing in the 7th or 8th grade. It's probably one of the few

    The most useful class I ever took was Typing 1a from Mrs. Jean Welch during my first semester in high school. I use what she taught me every single day.

    Anyways, I learned on electric typewriters.

    A room full of IBM Selectrics. Go old school or go home.

    ag

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Aaron Goldblatt on Thu Dec 19 14:47:33 2024
    Re: Re: How do you use unix?
    By: Aaron Goldblatt to MRO on Thu Dec 19 2024 01:33 pm

    The most useful class I ever took was Typing 1a from Mrs. Jean Welch during my first semester in high school. I use what she taught me every single day.

    Anyways, I learned on electric typewriters.

    A room full of IBM Selectrics. Go old school or go home.

    Mine wasn't that old school. The typing class I took 8th grade in a classroom full of Mac Classics. My high school also offered a typing class, also in the Mac lab (they also had a section of IBM-compatible PCs in the same area).

    Nightfox

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  • From Aaron Goldblatt@VERT/RNBWPNT to Nightfox on Fri Dec 20 05:53:15 2024
    A room full of IBM Selectrics. Go old school or go home.
    ...
    classroom full of Mac Classics.

    My school had a like three SEs, one SE/30, and a single ][e in the physics teacher's room..

    The newspaper staff raised thousands of dollars for Classics, but the principal stole the money to repaint lockers instead. But I'm not still bitter, over 30 years later. :-)

    ag

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Aaron Goldblatt on Fri Dec 20 10:00:45 2024
    Aaron Goldblatt wrote to Nightfox <=-

    The newspaper staff raised thousands of dollars for Classics, but the principal stole the money to repaint lockers instead. But I'm not still bitter, over 30 years later. :-)

    That sucks - what school paints lockers, anyways?

    My locker in 1983 had a handful of old 1960s and 1970s stickers on the
    inside, including one from a radio station whose call sign was "Earth
    Rock" and the logo looked like a 60s guy with a huge 'fro. It felt like
    a time machine to a kid who'd only been interested in music for a few
    years.

    Is it weird that I remember my high school locker number and combination
    all these years later?




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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to poindexter FORTRAN on Fri Dec 20 10:59:41 2024
    Re: Re: How do you use unix?
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Aaron Goldblatt on Fri Dec 20 2024 10:00 am

    Is it weird that I remember my high school locker number and combination all these years later?

    Mine changed every year. And I almost forgot we even used lockers in middle/high school..

    Nightfox

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  • From hollowone@VERT/BEERS20 to poindexter FORTRAN on Sat Dec 28 11:38:00 2024
    Now, I get to say "WHY YOU KIDS HAVE IT SO EASY - WHEN I STARTED OUT WE HA EED BATCHES OF CARDS INTO THE COMPUTER TO SEE YOUR PROGRAM OUTPUT!"

    it's no easy, considering that with modern tools and approach, single person can manage significantly larger code base, which is today's struggle.

    -h1

    ... Xerox Alto was the thing. Anything after we use is just a mere copy.