Re: Re: For you SBBS Sysops operating on *NIX, what's your flavor?
By: Gamgee to DaiTengu on Thu Jun 06 2024 11:14 am

I run CentOS on my main BBS Box, and it's in desparate need of an
upgrade. (CentOS 7 reaches EOL at the end of the month). I'm considering
moving it to Gentoo, which is what I've run for over a decade on my home
devbox (and also what hosts my SEXPOTS dialup application).

Cool, and an interesting mix there. Quite different. I was once a fan of the Redhat heritage, even ran Redhat for a short while before it went commercial, and then Mandrake after that (still RPM package management). I guess I've never tried CentOS, but have installed Fedora a few times, but found it too Gnome-focused. I actually liked Gnome back in the early days with RH and Mandrake, but it's evolved into.... something I don't like any more. Finally settled on Slackware (w/ XFCE desktop) and been there ever since.

Very rarely do I use a GUI on Linux. All of my linux boxes are headless. I run Windows on my main PC, which hosts an X-server, where I can run graphical applications remotely if I need to.

DaiTengu

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On Thu, 6 Jun 2024 15:01:58 -0500, you wrote:

In the end though, I'll probably just wind up moving it to CentOS 9
Stream or Possibly Rocky or Alma 9. Maintaining one Gentoo box is
plenty. :)

Shit, plenty? Maintaining one Gentoo box is an exercise in futility. :)

I may give CentOS a try one of these days as I've always heard great things about it, but my servers will most likely always run Arch.

Whatever you're comfortable with, I say go for it!

Regards,
Nick

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Re: For you SBBS Sysops operating on *NIX, what's your flavor?
By: Accession to DaiTengu on Thu Jun 06 2024 07:25 pm

I may give CentOS a try one of these days as I've always heard great things about it, but my servers will most likely always run Arch.

Considering CentOS is being end-of-lifed soon (as of June 30), there probably isn't much point in trying it now.

Nightfox

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Re: For you SBBS Sysops operating on *NIX, what's your flavor?
By: Accession to DaiTengu on Thu Jun 06 2024 07:25 pm

Shit, plenty? Maintaining one Gentoo box is an exercise in futility. :)

Meh, I've been using Gentoo for probably 20 years at this point. It has its quirks, but no distro has taught me more than Gentoo has.

I may give CentOS a try one of these days as I've always heard great things about it, but my servers will most likely always run Arch.

modern CentOS (The ones labeled "Stream" ) are a far cry from what it used to be. It was designed to be a rock-solid super-stable enterprise-grade OS. Rocky Linux has taken its place, literally. Rocky Linux is now built the exact same way that CentOS was, downstream from RHEL. Redhat moved CentOS to be the "upstream" distro, and now RHEL is built from it. It's sacrificing a bit of stability and a lot of support. Rocky is the same as RHEL line-for-line. It's just missing the proprietary Red Hat things. Alma on the other hand, does take some liberties and will go ahead and fix bugs or upgrade things here and there that aren't part of the RHEL releases their release is based on.

Whatever you're comfortable with, I say go for it!

Pretty much. I'll still make fun of people who use Macs, though, any chance I get.

DaiTengu

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Re: For you SBBS Sysops operating on *NIX, what's your flavor?
By: Nightfox to Accession on Thu Jun 06 2024 06:52 pm

Considering CentOS is being end-of-lifed soon (as of June 30), there probably isn't much point in trying it now.

CentOS 7 is. CentOS 8 Stream and CentOS 9 Stream are not. You've got a few years on 9, and a year or so on 8.

The "Stream" distros though have swapped places with RHEL proper. CentOS used to be built from the RHEL distros. Now RHEL is built from CentOS.

DaiTengu

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On Wed, 5 Jun 2024 19:25:23 -0500
"Gamgee" (VERT/PALANTIR) <VERT/PALANTIR!Gamgee@endofthelinebbs.com>
wrote:

1: Ubuntu
2: Debian
3: A Debian variant (Mint/MX/other)
4: Redhat/CentOS/Fedora
5: Suse and variants
6: Slackware
7: Arch and variants
8: One of the BSDs
9: AIX/Solaris/HP-UX ;-)
10: Something else

Ubuntu, it just works. Everyone should use it.
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Re: Re: For you SBBS Sysops operating on *NIX, what's your flavor?
By: nelgin to Gamgee on Wed Jun 26 2024 07:48 pm

Ubuntu, it just works. Everyone should use it. --

Ubuntu works, poorly. It's a bit bloated and you're forced into using quite a few things. It's the Linux version of OSX.

Performance on older hardware can be problematic, and there are far better distros out there that don't suck up precious memory and/or CPU cycles that are needed elsewhere.

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nelgin wrote to Gamgee <=-

On Wed, 5 Jun 2024 19:25:23 -0500
"Gamgee" (VERT/PALANTIR)
<VERT/PALANTIR!Gamgee@endofthelinebbs.com> wrote:

1: Ubuntu
2: Debian
3: A Debian variant (Mint/MX/other)
4: Redhat/CentOS/Fedora
5: Suse and variants
6: Slackware
7: Arch and variants
8: One of the BSDs
9: AIX/Solaris/HP-UX ;-)
10: Something else

Ubuntu, it just works. Everyone should use it.

Well.... it works for some. Certainly not everyone. :-)



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DaiTengu wrote to nelgin <=-

Re: Re: For you SBBS Sysops operating on *NIX, what's your
flavor?
By: nelgin to Gamgee on Wed Jun 26 2024 07:48 pm

Ubuntu, it just works. Everyone should use it.

Ubuntu works, poorly. It's a bit bloated and you're forced into
using quite a few things. It's the Linux version of OSX.

It's very bloated, and I might even up that ante and say it's the Linux version of <cough> Windows.

Performance on older hardware can be problematic, and there are
far better distros out there that don't suck up precious memory
and/or CPU cycles that are needed elsewhere.

100%.



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Re: Re: For you SBBS Sysops operating on *NIX, what's your flavor?
By: Gamgee to DaiTengu on Thu Jun 27 2024 07:37 am

Ubuntu, it just works. Everyone should use it.

Ubuntu works, poorly. It's a bit bloated and you're forced into using
quite a few things. It's the Linux version of OSX.

It's very bloated, and I might even up that ante and say it's the Linux version of <cough> Windows.

And suggesting that "everyone should use it" seems a bit odd. There are a lot of Linux distros, and Ubuntu isn't the only one that Synchronet works well with.

Nightfox

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On Thu, 27 Jun 2024 09:03:41 -0700, you wrote:

And suggesting that "everyone should use it" seems a bit odd. There
are a lot of Linux distros, and Ubuntu isn't the only one that
Synchronet works well with.

Besides that, there's not many linux distros that Synchronet *doesn't*
work well with. :)

Regards,
Nick

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Re: Re: For you SBBS Sysops operating on *NIX, what's your flavor?
By: nelgin to Gamgee on Wed Jun 26 2024 07:48 pm

Ubuntu, it just works. Everyone should use it.

I got an Ubuntu Bulgie DVD with Linux Magazine and, while it actually brings something new to the table, it doesn't feel very Linuxy to me. It certainly took more time for me to set it up as I liked than, say Devuan. Part of the issue I have with Ubuntu is that at this point they are trying very hard for everything to be a Snap.


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Re: Re: For you SBBS Sysops operating on *NIX, what's your flavor?
By: Arelor to nelgin on Sun Jun 30 2024 05:40 pm

Re: Re: For you SBBS Sysops operating on *NIX, what's your flavor?
By: nelgin to Gamgee on Wed Jun 26 2024 07:48 pm

Ubuntu, it just works. Everyone should use it.

I got an Ubuntu Bulgie DVD with Linux Magazine and, while it actually

brings
something new to the table, it doesn't feel very Linuxy to me. It certainly took more time for me to set it up as I liked than, say Devuan. Part of the issue I have with Ubuntu is that at this point they are trying very hard for everything to be a Snap.

when was this? wasn't linux magazine done in the 2000s? or is linux magazine back?

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Re: Re: For you SBBS Sysops operating on *NIX, what's your flavor?
By: MRO to Arelor on Sun Jun 30 2024 07:30 pm

when was this? wasn't linux magazine done in the 2000s? or is linux magazine back?

Dude, Linux New Media had not stopped paying me last time I checked :-P

Linux Journal crashed and burned around 2010 or so. Linux Voice sold itself to Linux New Media to avoid bankrupcy maybe two or three years ago. Linux Magazine still marches quite strong because we are borging all the failed magazines in.


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Re: Re: For you SBBS Sysops operating on *NIX, what's your flavor?
By: Nightfox to Gamgee on Fri Jun 07 2024 03:27 pm

Re: Re: For you SBBS Sysops operating on *NIX, what's your flavor?
By: Gamgee to fusion on Fri Jun 07 2024 01:34 pm

I never got aboard the OS/2 train. Straight from DOS to Win, and eventually Linux.

I went from DOS to Windows too, but in 1996 I experimented a bit with OS/2 because I was curious about it. I could definitely see how it would have been nice to run a BBS in OS/2 (even a DOS BBS). I had also played a bit with Ray Gwinn's SIO drivers, which allowed telnet access to a virtual serial port.. I tried setting up a copy of RemoteAccess (BBS software for DOS) with those SIO drivers and was impressed that I could successfully telnet into it. I also looked into an OS/2-native BBS package that I thought looked interesting (AdeptXBBS) but never actually used it to run a BBS.

By that time though, Windows was the main OS I was using, and OS/2 was on its way out, with not much software being made for it.

Nightfox

Your post really resonated with me. I really had big hopes for OS/2. While serving in the Navy we used Windows NT Server and Workstation primarily but OS/2 Warp made it's way into our internal network for managing building security (badging, door sensors, alarms). I wanted to run BBS's on OS/2 but ended up using Windows instead. It's so nice now to have so many options all the way from CP/M and DOS all the way to Raspian, Debian, and some really cool distros. I've even got Mint installed on a spare laptop which is pretty decent and gives Ubuntu a run for it's money from a desktop perspective.

Prowler (Tom)

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Re: For you SBBS Sysops operating on *NIX, what's your flavor?
By: Accession to Nightfox on Fri Jun 07 2024 06:54 pm

On Thu, 6 Jun 2024 23:52:10 -0700, you wrote:

I may give CentOS a try one of these days as I've always heard great
things about it, but my servers will most likely always run Arch.

Considering CentOS is being end-of-lifed soon (as of June 30), there probably isn't much point in trying it now.

CentOS 8's EOL is soon. CentOS 9 has just begun. :)

Regards,
Nick

... Take my advice, I don't use it anyway.

I ran CentOS for a long time in a datacenter environment for headless servers. It was really just an alternative to RHEL at the time and I never regretted it from a security and ease-of-use standpoint. It's been a few years now since I've used it, but I'll have to check out 9.

Prowler (Tom)

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Re: Re: For you SBBS Sysops operating on *NIX, what's your flavor?
By: Prowler to Nightfox on Mon Jul 29 2024 09:03 am

Your post really resonated with me. I really had big hopes for OS/2. While serving in the Navy we used Windows NT Server and Workstation primarily but OS/2 Warp made it's way into our internal network for managing building security (badging, door sensors, alarms). I wanted to

That's cool that there was some use of OS/2 there.

run BBS's on OS/2 but ended up using Windows instead. It's so nice now to have so many options all the way from CP/M and DOS all the way to Raspian, Debian, and some really cool distros. I've even got Mint installed on a spare laptop which is pretty decent and gives Ubuntu a run for it's money from a desktop perspective.

Yeah, I like the options we have today. And although I think it would have been nice to see things like OS/2 and Amiga continue on, we can at least run those through emulation and virtual machines.

Nightfox

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Re: Re: For you SBBS Sysops operating on *NIX, what's your flavor?
By: Prowler to Nightfox on Mon Jul 29 2024 09:03 am

I never got aboard the OS/2 train. Straight from DOS to Win, and
eventually Linux.

I was all-in for quite some time. Worked with OS/2 1.2 and 1.3 in a IBM AS/400 and Lan Manager environment, then 2.0, then Warp 3 working with Netware - and then Windows NT 3.51 came out and it just *worked*.

Ran the BBS under OS/2 Warp 3 for a couple of years, loved that I could have a mailer, busy BBS and all the utilities running in an OS/2 console in the background of my desktop and not even notice it was there.



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Re: Re: For you SBBS Sysops operating on *NIX, what's your flavor?
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Prowler on Mon Jul 29 2024 09:48 am

I was all-in for quite some time. Worked with OS/2 1.2 and 1.3 in a IBM AS/400 and Lan Manager environment, then 2.0, then Warp 3 working with Netware - and then Windows NT 3.51 came out and it just *worked*.

Ran the BBS under OS/2 Warp 3 for a couple of years, loved that I could have a mailer, busy BBS and all the utilities running in an OS/2 console in the background of my desktop and not even notice it was there.

I feel like I may have missed the heyday of OS/2, which seems to have been the early 90s. My first computer, in 1992, was a hand-me-down 286 and I wasn't old enough to get a job yet - and I didn't get my first job until 1996, so in the meantime I don't think I had a PC that was really up to running OS/2. Before I got my first job and bought my own parts for a new PC, the fastest PC I had was a 386DX-40, which I think could have ran OS/2, but I don't think I had enough RAM (I think I had 4MB max at the time) and maybe not enough hard drive space either.

Around 1994 or 1995, I bought a used copy of OS/2 Warp 3 at a used software store in my area (before they closed, I think due to legal reasons), and it was on floppies, and many of the floppies were bad.. Later (1996 or 1997), I bought a new sealed copy of OS/2 Warp 4 from my local Egghead Software (and I wondered if spending the $120 on it would be worth it), and I had my PC in a dual-boot setup with that and Windows for a little while. I think one of the things I tried that I thought was really cool was using Ray Gwinn's SIO driver for OS/2 to make my DOS-based RemoteAccess telnettable. But I only did that as an experiment; I continued running my DOS BBS in DOS/Desqview (and later Windows).

Nightfox

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