any one able to do some work, toss me an email so we can discuss what i need done and terms.

drakahn99@twstdt.synchro.net

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Re: java programmer
By: Drakahn99 to All on Sun Feb 07 2016 19:45:18

any one able to do some work, toss me an email so we can discuss what i need done and terms.

Java is not JavaScript. Aside from a similar name and some similar syntax, they are fairly different languages.

Nightfox

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sorry, wasn't aware of the difference. though still in need of someone that can do the work.

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Re: java programmer
By: Nightfox to Drakahn99 on Sun Feb 07 2016 07:16 pm

Re: java programmer
By: Drakahn99 to All on Sun Feb 07 2016 19:45:18

any one able to do some work, toss me an email so we can discuss what
i need done and terms.

Java is not JavaScript. Aside from a similar name and some similar syntax, they are fairly different languages.

yeah i really wish they would rename it. it was a stupid decision to ride on the hype of shitty java.
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Re: java programmer
By: Drakahn99 to Nightfox on Wed Feb 10 2016 10:34 am

sorry, wasn't aware of the difference. though still in need of someone that can do the work.

do what work? very vague work?
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do what work? very vague work?

modifying the listserver.js to add functions i would like added.

currently im using feedbucket to use the rss feed on my site to generate a buliten list for the main page. however that cuts off the messages for the rss feed, however i would like to have this modified so that it shows the full message text on the main page, and drop the need for using the 3rd party site. in case that one goes down.

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modifying the listserver.js to add functions i would like added.

Is the functionality you want really specific to you, or do you think other people might want it as well? You could just make a feature request here and see if someone wants to add it.

currently im using feedbucket to use the rss feed on my site to generate a buliten list for the main page. however that cuts off the messages for the rss feed, however i would like to have this modified so that it shows the full message text on the main page, and drop the need for using the 3rd party site. in case that one goes down.

How is your RSS feed being generated - from a message base? There's likely a much more straightforward way of doing this.

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Java is not JavaScript. Aside from a similar name and some similar syntax, they are fairly different languages.

yeah i really wish they would rename it. it was a stupid decision to

ride on

the hype of shitty java.

Despite whether one thinks Java is good or not, Java is used for many
things, from embedded devices to smart phones, etc.. Java is the standard language for Android apps, and there are many Android devices on the
market. I've heard Microsoft Visual Studio now allows developing Android
apps with their C# language (and even with JavaScript), but as for the
Android standard development tools, Java is the language.

I think the main reason Java was chosen for Android app development is that Java runs in a virtual machine, and an Android device could potentially
contain any processor in it. And indeed, there are Android devices on the market with ARM and Intel processors. Since Java runs in a virtual
machine, Android apps can (generally) run on any Android device. It is possible to write lower-level code for Android in C++ when needed, and such code would need to be separately built for ARM and Intel and other
processors, but Android apps written purely in Java should be able to run
on any Android device.

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Drakahn99 wrote to Mro <=-

do what work? very vague work?

modifying the listserver.js to add functions i would like added.

currently im using feedbucket to use the rss feed on my site to
generate a buliten list for the main page. however that cuts off the messages for the rss feed, however i would like to have this modified
so that it shows the full message text on the main page, and drop the
need for using the 3rd party site. in case that one goes down.

Synchronet already has an RSS importer. Web_feed_importer.js will do what you ask.


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Re: java programmer
By: Nightfox to Mro on Thu Feb 11 2016 11:53 am

yeah i really wish they would rename it. it was a stupid decision to

ride on

the hype of shitty java.

Despite whether one thinks Java is good or not, Java is used for many things, from embedded devices to smart phones, etc.. Java is the standard language for Android apps, and there are many Android devices on the

it's good because it's cross platform. you would never ever run it on
a windows system and i'd have to think long and hard before running it on anything other than a smart phone.
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Is the functionality you want really specific to you, or do you think other people might want it as well? You could just make a feature request here and see if someone wants to add it.

similar to areafix for fidonet, so that i could add a sub and designate someone as a list moderator or something who would then maintain the list, doing things like invite, kick, ect. personally id be using it for pbem rpg games, and local gaming groups to be able to coordinate their activities using email. and keep a log on the sub board of activities.
the script would also use an areas.bbs list to designate what areas are able to be added, and add the apropriate ini configuration files without needing to go in manually adding each entry for every list carried on the site.

How is your RSS feed being generated - from a message base? There's likely a much more straightforward way of doing this.

rss.ssjs
http://twstdt.synchro.net/rss.ssjs?channel=Bulletins
using a bit of code from feedbucket it grabs the above rss feed and inserts the text into my main page.

is there an easier way of adding information onto the main page without editing the html code each time?

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rss.ssjs
http://twstdt.synchro.net/rss.ssjs?channel=Bulletins
using a bit of code from feedbucket it grabs the above rss feed and inserts the text into my main page.

is there an easier way of adding information onto the main page without editing the html code each time?

Yes, I have something for that. Will post it somewhere for you, probably tomorrow.

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Synchronet already has an RSS importer. Web_feed_importer.js will do what you ask.

that imports the feed into the message base. not inserting it into an html page on the web server.

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Drakahn99 wrote to Bill McGarrity <=-

Synchronet already has an RSS importer. Web_feed_importer.js will do what you ask.

that imports the feed into the message base. not inserting it into an
html page on the web server.

My misunderstanding then.


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Despite whether one thinks Java is good or not, Java is used for many things, from embedded devices to smart phones, etc.. Java is the standard language for Android apps, and there are many Android devices on the

it's good because it's cross platform. you would never ever run it on
a windows system and i'd have to think long and hard before running it on anything other than a smart phone.

Your statements seem to be in conflict with each other..
- Java is good because it's cross platform
- You wouldn't want to run Java apps on anything other than a smart phone

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Mro wrote in a message to Nightfox:

it's good because it's cross platform. you would never ever run it
on a windows system and i'd have to think long and hard before
running it on anything other than a smart phone.

There is one java application I can't live without. Pimlical. It's the best
damn calendar app PERIOD. Use the android version on my blackberry and the desktop one on my Linux and Windows boxes. Syncing with each other and not in the cloud. ;)

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Re: java programmer
By: Nightfox to Mro on Fri Feb 12 2016 09:14 am

Your statements seem to be in conflict with each other..
- Java is good because it's cross platform
- You wouldn't want to run Java apps on anything other than a smart phone

i meant should instead of would.


it's not really conflicting. there's one that's a fact. it's good because
it's cross platform.

the next is my opinion that you shouldnt run it on anything other than a smartphone. i certainly wouldnt run it on windows due to security risks.
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Re: java programmer
By: Tiny to Mro on Fri Feb 12 2016 04:20 pm

There is one java application I can't live without. Pimlical. It's the best damn calendar app PERIOD. Use the android version on my blackberry
and the desktop one on my Linux and Windows boxes. Syncing with each other and not in the cloud. ;)

i actually have one of the best java applications ever. i cant remember the name because i no longer use it but it's like a utility toolbox full of goodies. one of them is i can control the computer via email commands. it also has calendar apps and functions.
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Yes, I have something for that. Will post it somewhere for you, probably tomorrow.

thank you. looking forward to seeing what you have done.

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rss.ssjs
http://twstdt.synchro.net/rss.ssjs?channel=Bulletins
using a bit of code from feedbucket it grabs the above rss feed and inserts the text into my main page.

is there an easier way of adding information onto the main page without editing the html code each time?

I this your bbs main page for synchronet you're wanting this on? Are you only concerned with the latest message, the last 2-3?

Sorry for jumping in late... saw the subject and skipped it, finally curiosity got the better of me.
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the next is my opinion that you shouldnt run it on anything other than a smartphone. i certainly wouldnt run it on windows due to security risks.

Most of the security risks are in the context of a browser plugin... most browsers no longer allow Java to run.

In the deskop context, if I can launch a Java application, I can launch any other kind of application, there's not really an extra security leak there.
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I this your bbs main page for synchronet you're wanting this on? Are you only concerned with the latest message, the last 2-3?

yes the main page the sub board i use keeps no more than 25 posts. wich then get sent to a rss feed. using the rss.ssjs file in the root directory, and feedbucket picks that up and creates an html insert on the main page.

although i have a couple other pages that pull from rss feeds for video game reviews, and working on adding a few others for movie reviews and other information to make a single place for different sources of news of interest.

Sorry for jumping in late... saw the subject and skipped it, finally curiosity got the better of me.

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the next is my opinion that you shouldnt run it on anything other than a smartphone. i certainly wouldnt run it on windows due to security risks.

Most of the security risks are in the context of a browser plugin... most browsers no longer allow Java to run.

In the deskop context, if I can launch a Java application, I can launch any other kind of application, there's not really an extra security leak there.

Agreed.. I was wondering about that - For desktop applications, it seems to
me Java is basically another programming language available. I'm not sure if there would be any extra security risk to running a desktop app just because it's written in Java. If anything, I'd think there might be less security
risk because Java apps run in a VM. I'm not sure how Java apps would put your system at risk more than apps written in other languages.

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yes the main page the sub board i use keeps no more than 25 posts. wich then get sent to a rss feed. using the rss.ssjs file in the root directory, and feedbucket picks that up and creates an html insert on the main page.

It's much more straightforward just to have your webserver read the messages from that sub on your BBS and add the content to your page directly, skipping the intermediate RSS-and-offsite-formatting step.

Whether or not you're using my bulletin lister (Bullshit) you can use the two files I committed to the CVS recently for this purpose:

xtrn/bullshit/bullshit.ssjs
xtrn/bullshit/999-bullshit.xjs

'bullshit.ssjs' can stay in the 'xtrn/bullshit/' directory, while '999-bullshit.xjs' contains the necessary stuff to dump messages out from the webserver, formatted for web-v4 (which it looks like you're using). You can copy the contents of '999-bullshit.xjs' into your existing home page, or set it up as its own page if you like. I'll tidy it up a bit later, but for now just be aware that this line specifies which sub-board (by internal code) and how many messages to display:

bullshit('bullshit', 5);

You can use that same function to dump out x number of messages from any sub-board, it's not really specific to my bulletin lister.

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Re: java programmer
By: Nightfox to tracker1 on Tue Feb 16 2016 08:53 am

sure if there would be any extra security risk to running a desktop app
just because it's written in Java. If anything, I'd think there might be less security risk because Java apps run in a VM. I'm not sure how Java apps would put your system at risk more than apps written in other

java and flash are 2 of the biggest security risks.
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java and flash are 2 of the biggest security risks.

I've heard Java has recently improved in its security:
http://bit.ly/1oHZJSY

There are many apps written in Java though.. Two fairly big ones are Eclipse (an IDE) and Android Studio (an IDE specifically for Android software development), which are both written in Java. Given the number of
Java/Android developers there are, and the number of apps/platforms that use Java, I'm sure Oracle is motivated to fix its vulnerabilities.

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Re: java programmer
By: Nightfox to Mro on Tue Feb 16 2016 03:53 pm

java and flash are 2 of the biggest security risks.

I've heard Java has recently improved in its security:
http://bit.ly/1oHZJSY

There are many apps written in Java though.. Two fairly big ones are Eclipse (an IDE) and Android Studio (an IDE specifically for Android software development), which are both written in Java. Given the number of Java/Android developers there are, and the number of apps/platforms that use Java, I'm sure Oracle is motivated to fix its vulnerabilities.

Don't forget Minecraft!

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Re: java programmer
By: Digital Man to Nightfox on Tue Feb 16 2016 18:03:32

There are many apps written in Java though.. Two fairly big ones are
Eclipse (an IDE) and Android Studio (an IDE specifically for Android
software development), which are both written in Java. Given the
number of Java/Android developers there are, and the number of
apps/platforms that use Java, I'm sure Oracle is motivated to fix its
vulnerabilities.

Don't forget Minecraft!

That's true.. Minecraft is very popular.

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I've heard Java has recently improved in its security:
http://bit.ly/1oHZJSY

There are many apps written in Java though.. Two fairly big ones are Eclipse (an IDE) and Android Studio (an IDE specifically for Android software development), which are both written in Java. Given the number of Java/Android developers there are, and the number of apps/platforms that use Java, I'm sure Oracle is motivated to fix its vulnerabilities.

He's still thinking in terms of browser plug-ins - and in that context, he's not wrong. However your point about desktop applications is entirely valid. It's one thing to run a program that you made a point of installing locally, and another thing entirely to run something that your browser loaded from any old website.

Not that I'm a Java fan (or detractor - I don't care one way or the other), but I suppose that people who only really know it in the context of ugly/slow browser applets and security warnings have only that to judge it on.

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It's much more straightforward just to have your webserver read the messages from that sub on your BBS and add the content to your page directly, skipping the intermediate RSS-and-offsite-formatting step.

Whether or not you're using my bulletin lister (Bullshit) you can use the two files I committed to the CVS recently for this purpose:

xtrn/bullshit/bullshit.ssjs
xtrn/bullshit/999-bullshit.xjs

'bullshit.ssjs' can stay in the 'xtrn/bullshit/' directory, while '999-bullshit.xjs' contains the necessary stuff to dump messages out from the webserver, formatted for web-v4 (which it looks like you're using). You can copy the contents of '999-bullshit.xjs' into your existing home page, or set it up as its own page if you like. I'll tidy it up a bit later, but for now just be aware that this line specifies which sub-board (by internal code) and how many messages to display:

bullshit('bullshit', 5);

You can use that same function to dump out x number of messages from any sub-board, it's not really specific to my bulletin lister.

thank you that's exactly what i needed.

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I've heard Java has recently improved in its security: http://bit.ly/1oHZJSY

There are many apps written in Java though.. Two fairly big ones are Eclipse (an IDE) and Android Studio (an IDE specifically for Android software development), which are both written in Java. Given the number of Java/Android developers there are, and the number of apps/platforms that use Java, I'm sure Oracle is motivated to fix its vulnerabilities.

He's still thinking in terms of browser plug-ins - and in that context, he's not wrong. However your point about desktop applications is entirely valid. It's one thing to run a program that you made a point of installing locally, and another thing entirely to run something that your browser loaded from any old website.

Not that I'm a Java fan (or detractor - I don't care one way or the other), but I suppose that people who only really know it in the context of ugly/slow browser applets and security warnings have only that to judge it on.

It has been years since I've seen any web sites using Java applets. I didn't think that was really common practice anymore.

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It has been years since I've seen any web sites using Java applets. I didn't think that was really common practice anymore.

I wouldn't say common, but they're still out there (and also on some embedded devices) and increasingly annoying. I don't think I stumble upon one more than a few times a year at this point, though.

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Re: java programmer
By: Nightfox to Digital Man on Tue Feb 16 2016 07:09 pm

Don't forget Minecraft!

That's true.. Minecraft is very popular.

yeah i almost ran a minecraft server for my gf's daughter but not gonna touch java.
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Re: java programmer
By: Mro to Nightfox on Wed Feb 17 2016 18:14:07

yeah i almost ran a minecraft server for my gf's daughter but not gonna touch java.

I hightly doubt that the authors of the Miencraft server are going to put malware in the Minecraft server to exploit your system.. Same with other significant Java software such as Eclipse, Android Studio, etc.. From what I've read about Java's possible insecurities, I imagine only people who like writing viruses would be interested in exploiting Java vulnerabilities.

Back in the day, the runtime libries for the C and C++ programming languages had their vulnerabilities too (particularly with things like buffer overflows, etc.). Over the years they have been patched to prevent things like that. I'm sure the Java VM & runtimes will be improved over time to prevent vulnerabilities as well.

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Re: java programmer
By: Nightfox to Mro on Fri Feb 19 2016 08:13 pm

Re: java programmer
By: Mro to Nightfox on Wed Feb 17 2016 18:14:07

yeah i almost ran a minecraft server for my gf's daughter but not
gonna touch java.

I hightly doubt that the authors of the Miencraft server are going to put malware in the Minecraft server to exploit your system.. Same with other

i didnt say they would. but i refuse to use the java vm because of all the issues it has had in the past.


java and flash should be shitcanned.
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sure if there would be any extra security risk to running a desktop app
just because it's written in Java. If anything, I'd think there might be
less security risk because Java apps run in a VM. I'm not sure how Java
apps would put your system at risk more than apps written in other

java and flash are 2 of the biggest security risks.

In the browser... on a desktop app, they're no more of a risk than any other application, generally speaking.
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java and flash should be shitcanned.

That might be difficult, considering there's more Java developers than any other single language (except maybe JavaScript, depending on the source). I don't care for it myself, but in the browser via plugin isn't the same as on
a server...

I'm willing to bet you probably use a Java based web-app several times a week (running server-side code, not the browser).
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Re: Re: java programmer
By: tracker1 to Mro on Wed Mar 02 2016 08:41 am

sure if there would be any extra security risk to running a desktop app >> just because it's written in Java. If anything, I'd think there might

be >> less security risk because Java apps run in a VM. I'm not sure how Java >> apps would put your system at risk more than apps written in other

java and flash are 2 of the biggest security risks.

In the browser... on a desktop app, they're no more of a risk than any
other application, generally speaking.

on the desktop i dont run java apps because my experience with them is they are always slow.
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