My daughter's gaming PC needs an upgrade as it overheats and hangs sometimes when playing graphic intensive games, like https://store.steampowered.com/app/1377590/The_Island/
She currently has a 2015-era quadcore AMD APU (I think it's 3+ GHz) with 16G of RAM and a Gigabyte Geforce GTX 1050 Ti OC Low Profile 4GB GDDR5 128 Bit PCI-E Graphic Card. I don't think the graphics card is an issue, but rather CPU/chipset and possibly cooling. Being a proprietary (HP) slim-line case an motherboard, GPU upgrade options were limited, but I think that 1050 Ti is actually handling the job pretty well.
Anyway, for her birthday, I want to replace the system with something (even) better suited to gaming, like this: https://www.costco.com/dell-xps-8940-tower---11th-gen-intel-core-i7-11700--- orce-rtx-3060ti.product.100773674.html
I could just build a new system from puchased parts and re-use her existing (the 1050 Ti), but being a low profile card, that could be tricky in a full-height case and being a gift, I don't want it to be something I may hav to troubleshoot (e.g. buying the wrong RAM for the CPU/motherboard... again?
The Costo Dell deal looks pretty good, $1600 for:
- Core i7-11700 (8-core) CPU
- 32GB DDR4 RAM
- NVIDIA GeForce RTS 3060Ti GPU w/8GB RAM
- 512GB PCIe M.2 SSD
- 1TB 7200RPM HD
- DVD/CD reader/writer
- Windows 10
Stuff it comes with but likely wouldn't use:
- keyboard and mouse
- Wifi and Bluetooth adapters
I didn't want to spend that much, but seems like it'd last her several years without any need to upgrade (much). Thoughts?
Digital Man wrote to All <=-
Anyway, for her birthday, I want to replace the system with something (even) better suited to gaming, like this: https://www.costco.com/dell-xps-8940-tower---11th-gen-intel-core-i7-1170 0---geforce-rtx-3060ti.product.100773674.html
Anyway, for her birthday, I want to replace the system with something (even) better suited to gaming, like this: https://www.costco.com/dell-xps-8940-tower---11th-gen-intel-core-i7-11700- --geforce-rtx-3060ti.product.100773674.html
I could just build a new system from puchased parts and re-use her existing GPU (the 1050 Ti), but being a low profile card, that could be tricky in a full-height case and being a gift, I don't want it to be something I may have to troubleshoot (e.g. buying the wrong RAM for the CPU/motherboard... again?).
The Costo Dell deal looks pretty good, $1600 for:
- Core i7-11700 (8-core) CPU
- 32GB DDR4 RAM
- NVIDIA GeForce RTS 3060Ti GPU w/8GB RAM
- 512GB PCIe M.2 SSD
- 1TB 7200RPM HD
- DVD/CD reader/writer
- Windows 10
Stuff it comes with but likely wouldn't use:
- keyboard and mouse
- Wifi and Bluetooth adapters
I didn't want to spend that much, but seems like it'd last her several years without any need to upgrade (much). Thoughts?
I didn't want to spend that much, but seems like it'd last her several years without any need to upgrade (much). Thoughts?
If you think 1600 USD is "that much" you have not seen what people is spending in not-so-good gaming equipment.
For a computer intended for gaming, upgradability is the key...you need a moderboard into which you can plug "moar stuff" and "newer stuff". Otherwise you won't be able to keep playing bleeding edge games with your setup in a matter of a couple of years, at least with decent game settings.
A rule of thumb for gaming gear is to see which game consoles game publishers are targetting and try to have at least a bit better specs than those consoles. The reason is that many game companies use mainstream consoles as a spec reference. If the last Playstation is Playstation 20 then you can bet triple AAA developers are assuming their specs are the base for the current generation of games.
The second approach is to scan the AAA game market in order to see which requerinments modern games are demanding. If you can reliably match the recommended requerinments for current games you can be sure that you will be able to play any game with your rig up until the moment the current generation of games ends.
Current generation of games is coming to an end by the way: https://www.game -debate.com/news/28464/recommended-pc-system-requirements-for-w hen-xbox-series-x-and-ps5-launch
Sorry I am not giving an opinion about your suggested configuration. I am not that familiar with the current state of things. I hope my wall of text gives you something to think about.
- NVIDIA GeForce RTS 3060Ti GPU w/8GB RAM
That PC seems fairly decent, and you're probably right that it would probably last severla years without having to upgrade. And as far as the graphics card, are you sure it's not RTX?
If I were to build/buy a PC now, I might choose an AMD processor, as they seem to have some really good processors right now and lower prices for comparable (or perhaps even slightly better) performance & specs than the comparable Intel processors.
That PC seems fairly decent, and you're probably right that it would
probably last severla years without having to upgrade. And as far as
the graphics card, are you sure it's not RTX?
Yes, that was a typo: RTX 3060Ti.
"fairly decent"? It blows all the other computers in house away! Well, maybe not my 16-core 32GB Opteron system, but that's not a gaming system either.
If I were to build/buy a PC now, I might choose an AMD processor, as
An AMD integrated graphics CPU (or "APU" they're sometimes called) or separate CPU and GPU? For example this HP system has a Ryzen APU: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08VRS732Z but I'm having trouble comparing the GPU performance of that system against, say, the NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060Ti.
The Costo Dell deal looks pretty good, $1600 for:
- Core i7-11700 (8-core) CPU
- 32GB DDR4 RAM
- NVIDIA GeForce RTS 3060Ti GPU w/8GB RAM
- 512GB PCIe M.2 SSD
- 1TB 7200RPM HD
- DVD/CD reader/writer
- Windows 10
Stuff it comes with but likely wouldn't use:
- keyboard and mouse
- Wifi and Bluetooth adapters
I didn't want to spend that much, but seems like it'd last her several
years without any need to upgrade (much). Thoughts?
Dells aren't too bad a machine and the xps series usually are
decent for gaming.
That PC seems fairly decent, and you're probably right that it would probably last severla years without having to upgrade. And as far as
the graphics card, are you sure it's not RTX? I don't think Nvidia
has an "RTS" line. The RTX 3000 series are currently their latest,
and seem to be fairly hard to come by too (I've been waiting for a
decently priced 3080 TI; they tend to be out of stock in most places,
or sold by scalpers asking ridiculous prices).
If I were to build/buy a PC now, I might choose an AMD processor, as
they seem to have some really good processors right now and lower
prices for comparable (or perhaps even slightly better) performance &
specs than the comparable Intel processors.
An AMD integrated graphics CPU (or "APU" they're sometimes called) or separate CPU and GPU? For example this HP system has a Ryzen APU: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08VRS732Z
but I'm having trouble comparing the GPU performance of that system
against, say, the NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060Ti.
On 7/15/2021 9:12 PM, Digital Man wrote:
The Costo Dell deal looks pretty good, $1600 for:
- Core i7-11700 (8-core) CPU
- 32GB DDR4 RAM
- NVIDIA GeForce RTS 3060Ti GPU w/8GB RAM
- 512GB PCIe M.2 SSD
- 1TB 7200RPM HD
- DVD/CD reader/writer
- Windows 10
Stuff it comes with but likely wouldn't use:
- keyboard and mouse
- Wifi and Bluetooth adapters
I didn't want to spend that much, but seems like it'd last her several years without any need to upgrade (much). Thoughts?
Buying is probably your best bet... the motherboard and psu are usually
the sore spots on pre-built. Unfortunately, video cards are all but impossible to come by right now, and have been for over a year and a half.
Probably sufficient for 5+ years, the OS drive and/or the supplemental
drive are both a little small depending on the games she plays or will
want to play in the future.
System above should pair with a good 1440p monitor, most games at
mid-high settings at 90+ fps.
Dell are effectively hot garbage e-waste... half the parts in newer
systems are completely proprietary, even the power supply and
motherboards on many of them right now. And while some are 12V only,
they aren't the new standard even.
Tracker1 wrote to Brian Rogers <=-
Dell are effectively hot garbage e-waste... half the parts in newer systems are completely proprietary, even the power supply and
motherboards on many of them right now. And while some are 12V only,
they aren't the new standard even.
Arelor wrote to Tracker1 <=-
Well, I think HP is also loading some propietary components into their prebuilts. Heck, some HP servers are designed to accept only their
(lame) fans, and if you want to incorporate a good fan, you have to disassemble the thing and rewire it.
Tracker1 wrote to Brian Rogers <=-
Dell are effectively hot garbage e-waste... half the parts in newer systems are completely proprietary, even the power supply and
motherboards on many of them right now. And while some are 12V only,
they aren't the new standard even.
The lower-end video cards are crap, the higher end are okay. That
doesn't go into the bloatware, and their really sleazy sales channel tactics right now. If you're going big box builder, HP is likely a
better bet.
The roles are pretty much reversed of where they were a couple years
ago. While AMD is current king in terms of best of breed, there is a
bit of a price premium for that, so unless going for 5900X or 5950X,
then Intel is actually a better deal at the moment for most systems.
The roles are pretty much reversed of where they were a couple years
ago. While AMD is current king in terms of best of breed, there is a
bit of a price premium for that, so unless going for 5900X or 5950X,
then Intel is actually a better deal at the moment for most systems.
Oh? I thought AMD's processors were still cheaper. At least a couple
years ago, I remember hearing when AMD's processors were rating ahead
of Intel's. For the price of an Intel i9-9900K, there was an AMD
processor that was similarly priced that had more cores, and AMD's processors were getting slightly better ratings than Intel across the
board, except for a couple cases.
With the AMD Ryzen 5000 series (current), they bumped the pricing, at
the top end they're faster than Intel's fastest. Meanwhile Intel prices dropped a bit, Intel still tends to take more power for a given performance class. Again, role reversal.
In the enthusiast space, AMD is much more popular, and also had been selling out more, given Intel more breathing room. It's a bit of a
mixed bag outside the top end.
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